Antoine, 

This was a history reminder and brought back childhood and youth memories. I
grew up using the BSW system and I still have a great collection of taps and
dies.  As a machinist, I have to mention that the Whitworth system it is not
used any longer in GB or anywhere in Europe because it has been replaced and
pushed out by the Metric standard system. The good news is that you could
install a ANSI nut with a 60* thread to a whitworth bolt but not the
opposite. Use a bit of antiseize compound and it will be fine. The only
thread that it is not possible to replace with the north American standards
is ½” thread. The northamerican is 13 threads per inch and the whitworth is
12 TPI. 

If you any more assistance let me know the size of the nut which I don’t
think is larger than ¼” or 5/16” at the most and I’ll see what I can do. 

 

Yanni Boatless in Ontario

Not for long…

 

92 Lebaron 3.0 convertible

95 LeBaron 3.0 turbo convertible

07 Yamaha Straotoliner S

SCRC 011059

SRO 26-6483

 

TURBO!!!!!cause bottles are for babies and superchargers blow!!!

Which would you rather have, go fast goodies or shiny shoes?

Your feet may look good but if your engine blows you ain't going nowhere

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Antoine
Rose via CnC-List
Sent: November 17, 2014 11:19 PM
To: Ronald B. Frerker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump parts for C & C 30-1

 

I support all the recommendations to disassemble it first. 

By the way, when I disassembled it, this simple pump taught an history
lesson.

It is a British made Whale Gusher, a very good pump. My only problem was the
nut, totally eaten out by corrosion. Simple, I'll find another nut. Well,
the nut I purchased didn't fit. Might be a metric one. Nope.  Doing some
research, I found out that the nut coming from England was made using the
Whitworth standard, not available in North America. I contacted the importer
who wanted to sell me a kit for 70$. Are you nut? I won't purchase a 70$ kit
to replace a simple nut. 

Ok, let's go on wiki, to find out that the Whitworth was the very first
standard for nuts and bolt.

"The Whitworth thread was the world's first national screw thread
standard,[1]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth#cite_note-1>
devised and specified by Joseph Whitworth
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Whitworth>  in 1841. Until then, the
only standardization was what little had been done by individual people and
companies, with some companies' in-house standards spreading a bit within
their industries. Whitworth's new standard specified a 55° thread angle and
a thread depth of 0.640327p and a radius of 0.137329p, where p is the pitch.
The thread pitch increases with diameter in steps specified on a chart. The
Whitworth thread system was later to be adopted as a British Standard to
become British Standard Whitworth. An example of the use of the Whitworth
thread is the Royal Navy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy> 's
Crimean War <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War>  gunboats. These are
the first instance of "mass-production" techniques being applied to marine
engineering as the following quotation from the obituary from The Times
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times>  of 24 January 1887 to Sir Joseph
Whitworth (1803–1887) shows:

The Crimean War began, and Sir Charles Napier
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Napier_%28Royal_Navy_officer%29>
demanded of the Admiralty 120 gunboats, each with engines of 60 horsepower,
for the campaign of 1855 in the Baltic
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Napier_%28Royal_Navy_officer%29#Baltic
_Campaign> . There were just ninety days in which to meet this requisition,
and, short as the time was, the building of the gunboats presented no
difficulty. It was otherwise however with the engines, and the Admiralty
were in despair. Suddenly, by a flash of the mechanical genius which was
inherent in him, the late Mr John Penn
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Penn_%28engineer%29>  solved the
difficulty, and solved it quite easily. He had a pair of engines on hand of
the exact size. He took them to pieces and he distributed the parts among
the best machine shops in the country, telling each to make ninety sets
exactly in all respects to the sample. The orders were executed with
unfailing regularity, and he actually completed ninety sets of engines of 60
horsepower in ninety days – a feat which made the great Continental Powers
stare with wonder, and which was possible only because the Whitworth
standards of measurement and of accuracy and finish were by that time
thoroughly recognised and established throughout the country.

An original example of the gunboat type engine was raised from the wreck of
the SS  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Xantho> Xantho by the Western
Australian Museum <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Australian_Museum> .
On disassembly, all its threads were shown to be of the Whitworth type.[2]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth#cite_note-2> "

 

How did it ended up? I was traveling to England for vacation that summer. I
found a shop in Portsmouth and had a great conversation with the shop owner
who sold me a pair of half inch whitworth treaded nuts. I keep the second
one preciously in my garage.

 

Antoine (C&C Cousin)

 

Le 2014-11-17 à 10:31, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List a écrit :





On the subject of bilge pumps, mine is not working.  It's the original pump
located on the cockpit floor.  I suspect the diaphram is ruptured.
I'm an hour from the boat and freezing; I believe it's a Whale gusher???
Any idea where parts can be found?
Ron
Wild Cheri
STL


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