Pierre
Three of us, wow
She be a full fin keel.
How about yours
Larry
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Today's Topics:
1. Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3 (Doug Allardyce)
2. Re: Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3 (Jake Brodersen)
3. Re: thread reply and rod rigging (Ron Casciato)
4. Re: Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3 (Bruno Lachance)
5. Re: Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3 (D Harben)
6. Re: Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3 (Richard N. Bush)
7. Re: Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3 (Wally Bryant)
8. 86 C&C MKIII 38-ft owner's manual (Douglas)
9. Re: 86 C&C MKIII 38-ft owner's manual (Pierre Tremblay)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:17:45 -0400
From: "Doug Allardyce" <dalla...@ameritech.net>
To: "CnC- List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
Message-ID: <boeilknoboaclocjodcakecdiaaa.dalla...@ameritech.net>
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Has anyone out there done any reconstruction in that cavity under the mast
step where the keel bolt comes up. My mast step is solid, but I can't seem
to get the forward keel bolt tight enough. I dropped the keel last spring
and rebeded it with 5200 but the forward bolt still leaks after a hard race.
Doug
"Bullet"
C&C 35 MK 3, 1985
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:33:35 -0400
From: "Jake Brodersen" <captain_j...@cox.net>
To: "'Doug Allardyce'" <dalla...@ameritech.net>,
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
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Doug,
How can you tell the forward keel bolt is leaking? Is there seepage from
under the mast?
I went through a similar repair about ten years ago. We dropped the keel,
drilled a large bore hole through the mast step and inserted a stainless
steel post (about 1 ?" in diameter). The keel bolt now tries to compress
the post instead of the somewhat questionable filler that is found in the
mast step. While my bilge is still always wet, my only issue is the
constant stink that the boat has. When we dropped the keel the forward bolt
had a bunch of black water surrounding it. The smell was horrible.
To further reduce any mast step problems, we installed a large ?" stainless
steel plate over the mast step to spread the load across several of the
cross members. I do have some pictures to share offline.
Jake
Jake Brodersen
"Midnight Mistress"
C&C 35 Mk-III
Hampton VA
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Allardyce via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:18 PM
To: CnC- List
Subject: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
Has anyone out there done any reconstruction in that cavity under the mast
step where the keel bolt comes up. My mast step is solid, but I can't seem
to get the forward keel bolt tight enough. I dropped the keel last spring
and rebeded it with 5200 but the forward bolt still leaks after a hard race.
Doug
"Bullet"
C&C 35 MK 3, 1985
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:50:44 -0400
From: "Ron Casciato" <rjcasci...@comcast.net>
To: "'Dennis C.'" <capt...@gmail.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List thread reply and rod rigging
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David: Just my 2 cents worth......
Since you're in Newport RI, you have way more rigging expertise at your
fingertips than most of us on this list.....Newport is full of competition
boats and riggers and such. Find someone local and have them look at the
rig.
MY 38MKIIC is a 1977 vintage and has the original rod rigging that came with
the boat. My mast is, however, a Stearns' mast instead of the standard C&C
one. I have had my mast down several times in the past 16 years of
ownership and I've also had the rigging checked each time. Regardless of
mast manufacturer, rod rigging is still a better option from my
perspective....
To date (now I've really jinxed it) it is in fine shape and I expect it to
last a long time.
We race this boat so it gets more stress than usual cruising does and still
the rod is intact and healthy.
Just for thought.....
Ron C.
Impromptu
C&C 38MKIIC..'77
Incidentally.....they are making new C&C's right down the road from Newport
and you might drop in there to get an opinion.....Principles there were
related to the C&C production effort in RI back in the day....they should be
great resources for you locally......
_____
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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:57 AM
To: David Dawes; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List thread reply and rod rigging
David,
If you're looking at reheading all the rigging, think about pulling the rig,
removing all the shrouds, coiling them up and taking them to a NavTec shop.
You can coil the rod to no LESS than 200 times diameter and strap it to an
"X" made of 2 x 4's for transport. UPS will ship it.
You didn't say where you were. There may be a NavTec shop near you. Throw
it in a pickup and drive it there.
Before you coil it, make a list of each rod and carefully measure the pin to
pin distance. That is, between the centers of the hole in each end. Also
measure the pin diameters. Now you have a record of the rig.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 7:19 AM, David Dawes via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hi, can someone tell me how to reply to a thread? Sorry, I can't figure it
out. So I started a new one.
Next I looked at a 1984 CNC 35 M3 yesterday. Concerned about the rod
rigging. This boat is run down so I don't expect a record of rigging
inspection or service.
A rigger friend recommended full replacement.
Is this correct? And what are alternatives? What is a rod replacement cost
approx? And is a wire replacement smart/ advisable/ cost effective or too
heavy? Technology has moved ahead in 30 years.
I love the boat layout etc. But suspect rigging will kill my offshore
pleasure!
Many thanks,
David.
David Dawes
Captain
Newport, RI, USA
+1(401)5854942 <tel:%2B1%28401%295854942>
dawes...@hotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:16:35 -0400
From: Bruno Lachance <bruno_lacha...@hotmail.com>
To: Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
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Jake,
If you send the pictures to Doug, please add me to the list.
Thanks
Bruno
33mkii
Becassine
Envoy? de mon iPad
> Le 2014-10-13 ? 12:34, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
a ?crit :
>
> Doug,
>
> How can you tell the forward keel bolt is leaking? Is there seepage
> from under the mast?
>
> I went through a similar repair about ten years ago. We dropped the
> keel, drilled a large bore hole through the mast step and inserted a
> stainless steel post (about 1 ?" in diameter). The keel bolt now
> tries to compress the post instead of the somewhat questionable filler
> that is found in the mast step. While my bilge is still always wet,
> my only issue is the constant stink that the boat has. When we
> dropped the keel the forward bolt had a bunch of black water surrounding
it. The smell was horrible.
>
> To further reduce any mast step problems, we installed a large ?"
> stainless steel plate over the mast step to spread the load across
> several of the cross members. I do have some pictures to share offline.
>
> Jake
>
> Jake Brodersen
> "Midnight Mistress"
> C&C 35 Mk-III
> Hampton VA
>
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> Doug Allardyce via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:18 PM
> To: CnC- List
> Subject: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
>
>
> Has anyone out there done any reconstruction in that cavity under the
> mast step where the keel bolt comes up. My mast step is solid, but I
> can't seem to get the forward keel bolt tight enough. I dropped the
> keel last spring and rebeded it with 5200 but the forward bolt still leaks
after a hard race.
>
>
> Doug
> "Bullet"
> C&C 35 MK 3, 1985
> ~~~~~~~~_/)~~~_/) ~~~~~~~~
>
> << File: Untitled attachment 00291.txt >> <winmail.dat>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:24:54 -0400
From: D Harben <sailadventu...@rogers.com>
To: Bruno Lachance <bruno_lacha...@hotmail.com>,
"cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
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Hi
Would you mind sharing on a photo cloud?
Don
> On Oct 13, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Jake,
>
> If you send the pictures to Doug, please add me to the list.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruno
> 33mkii
> Becassine
>
> Envoy? de mon iPad
>
>> Le 2014-10-13 ? 12:34, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> a ?crit :
>>
>> Doug,
>>
>> How can you tell the forward keel bolt is leaking? Is there seepage
>> from under the mast?
>>
>> I went through a similar repair about ten years ago. We dropped the
>> keel, drilled a large bore hole through the mast step and inserted a
>> stainless steel post (about 1 ?" in diameter). The keel bolt now
>> tries to compress the post instead of the somewhat questionable
>> filler that is found in the mast step. While my bilge is still
>> always wet, my only issue is the constant stink that the boat has.
>> When we dropped the keel the forward bolt had a bunch of black water
surrounding it. The smell was horrible.
>>
>> To further reduce any mast step problems, we installed a large ?"
>> stainless steel plate over the mast step to spread the load across
>> several of the cross members. I do have some pictures to share offline.
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> Jake Brodersen
>> "Midnight Mistress"
>> C&C 35 Mk-III
>> Hampton VA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
>> Doug Allardyce via CnC-List
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:18 PM
>> To: CnC- List
>> Subject: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
>>
>>
>> Has anyone out there done any reconstruction in that cavity under the
>> mast step where the keel bolt comes up. My mast step is solid, but I
>> can't seem to get the forward keel bolt tight enough. I dropped the
>> keel last spring and rebeded it with 5200 but the forward bolt still
leaks after a hard race.
>>
>>
>> Doug
>> "Bullet"
>> C&C 35 MK 3, 1985
>> ~~~~~~~~_/)~~~_/) ~~~~~~~~
>>
>> << File: Untitled attachment 00291.txt >> <winmail.dat>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:46:57 -0400
From: "Richard N. Bush" <bushma...@aol.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
Message-ID: <8d1b524d0575768-19fc-8...@webmailstg-va02.sysops.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Jake, you may as well send the pics to every one, we'd all like to see the
plate! Thanks
Richard
1985 37 CB, Ohio River, Mile 584;
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255
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To: Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net>; cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
Jake,
If you send the pictures to Doug, please add me to the list.
Thanks
Bruno
33mkii
Becassine
Envoy? de mon iPad
> Le 2014-10-13 ? 12:34, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
a
?crit :
>
> Doug,
>
> How can you tell the forward keel bolt is leaking? Is there seepage from
> under the mast?
>
> I went through a similar repair about ten years ago. We dropped the keel,
> drilled a large bore hole through the mast step and inserted a stainless
> steel post (about 1 ?" in diameter). The keel bolt now tries to compress
> the post instead of the somewhat questionable filler that is found in the
> mast step. While my bilge is still always wet, my only issue is the
> constant stink that the boat has. When we dropped the keel the forward
bolt
> had a bunch of black water surrounding it. The smell was horrible.
>
> To further reduce any mast step problems, we installed a large ?"
stainless
> steel plate over the mast step to spread the load across several of the
> cross members. I do have some pictures to share offline.
>
> Jake
>
> Jake Brodersen
> "Midnight Mistress"
> C&C 35 Mk-III
> Hampton VA
>
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Doug
> Allardyce via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:18 PM
> To: CnC- List
> Subject: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
>
>
> Has anyone out there done any reconstruction in that cavity under the mast
> step where the keel bolt comes up. My mast step is solid, but I can't seem
> to get the forward keel bolt tight enough. I dropped the keel last spring
> and rebeded it with 5200 but the forward bolt still leaks after a hard
race.
>
>
> Doug
> "Bullet"
> C&C 35 MK 3, 1985
> ~~~~~~~~_/)~~~_/) ~~~~~~~~
>
> << File: Untitled attachment 00291.txt >>
> <winmail.dat>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:57:42 +0000
From: Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Under the Mast on 35 MK 3
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What's a photo cloud? Is that anything like cloud computing, which is a
recently revived buzz word.
No clouds here today, it's hot and clear, but I did get in the kayak and
finished waxing the starboard side before 11 a.m, when it was starting
to get really hot. We do get clouds rolling in after sunset when the
thermals over the mountain rain forest create strong convection, but
they are often full of lightning, which will probably mess up the pictures.
I've looked at clouds from both sides now...
Wal
you wrote:
> Would you mind sharing on a photo cloud?
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:01:57 -0700
From: "Douglas" <ladoug...@whidbey.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List 86 C&C MKIII 38-ft owner's manual
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Good-day all
I recently purchased a C&C
We were the market a Sail Boat and fell in love with this vessel.
Pretty darn good shape. Pretty much like new inside and excellent shape
outside.
Very little use. Just a couple times a year and the owner paid to have it
maintained.
To the point. I got in touch with one of the fellows that was with C&C in
the 80's
He sent me a copy of the original owner's manual.
I would be willing to post it on the site or send it to someone in a pdf
file.
I am going to copy it and attempt to make it into a word doc. That process
is not always successful.
For now if someone needs a copy or could tell me how to post it on the site.
Thanks.
Larry
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Volvo ocean race game? (OldSteveH)
2. Re: Redline 41 (Jerome Tauber)
3. Re: thread reply and rod rigging (Rick Brass)
4. Re: thread reply and rod rigging (Dennis C.)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:09:35 -0400
From: OldSteveH <oldste...@sympatico.ca>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo ocean race game?
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There's another online nav game with which some may be familiar:
Virtual-loup-de-mer.org
French website but most interface is available in English.
It's not as graphically fancy as Volvo but seems to be more for 'serious'
nav players.
I have been on and off it over last 10 years and some of the same dudes are
still there . . .
Free and ad-free always works for me.
A bigger race like VOR or Vendee will get over 1000 entrants.
The interface is good and it's accurate, ie good charts, but if you want a
nicer looking GUI there are some apps such as Frogtools which work with the
website.
With that and Ugrib you're all set.
Cheers
Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 22:34:07 -0300
From: Graham Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Volvo ocean race game?
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Anyone doing the volvo ocean race game? (Virtual regatta at
http://www.virtualregatta.com/)
--
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:39:18 -0400
From: Jerome Tauber <jrtau...@aol.com>
To: Bruno Lachance <bruno_lacha...@hotmail.com>,
"cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Redline 41
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
For around 50-75K you can get a late 80s C&C 41 with PHRF around 70. I
assume the Redline 41 will come in somewhere around PHRF 25.
Jerry. C&C. 27 V J&J.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 12, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> i did not see the new Redline 41, But i hope that it is more than
"slithtly" higher quality than a Bene or a Hanse. i charter a brand new
(1month) Hanse in the BVI last year. nice boat, but the quality of the
inside is fairly cheap and the deck hardware is minimal... this is just not
the same buyer in my opinion. The comp?tition is more like Jboats, Xboats
and other european speedsters.
>
> i just hope they do well and add more boats to the new C&C lineup. but its
a very tough market out there.
>
> you luck you could step on it!
>
> Bruno
> c&c 33 mkII
> Becassine
>
> Envoy? de mon iPad
>
>> Le 2014-10-11 ? 12:32, Roger Ware via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> a
?crit :
>>
>> Joel, You forgot to mention the bad- the 41 is a very expensive boat
$400K. Hard to see how it will compete well with the slightly lower quality
but much lower priced Beneteaus and Hanses.
>> Roger Ware, Kingston, ON
>>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson via CnC-List
>> Sent: October-11-14 12:00 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Redline 41
>>
>> spent a few minutes on the new 41 at the boat show The good- large
cockpit, boat appears solid. The bad- winch placement, cabin steps are too
far apart, cabin feels very small, aft quarterberths are open with no door
for privacy while cruising, door to head is in forward cabin. Better racer
than cruiser
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551
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From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net>
To: "'David Dawes'" <dawes...@hotmail.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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In 2011 I had a toggle break on the starboard jump stay on my 1976 C&C 38.
It caused me to question the integrity of the rod rigging.
It was, after all, 36 years old at the time and there was no previous
indication of any trouble brewing. But my future plans include offshore
cruising and at least one more trip to Bermuda. So I decided to do the
conservative thing and have the rig looked at.
To my great surprise, my rigger and Navtec both recommended having the
rigging removed and shipped back to Navtec for non-destructive testing and
to be x-rayed. The tech at Navtec was pretty negative about the reliability
of testing the rod with dye. Based on the results Navtec would either rehead
the rod or replace it - at extra charge of course. The work, shipping, and
testing was going to cost almost $4000.
In a search for alternatives, my rigger suggested replacing the rod with
Dyform wire. I had to put on a wire head stay anyway since I would be
installing roller furling when the mast was down(putting a roller furler on
rod seems to be a not recommended procedure). So I looked hard at the
alternative of Dyform wire all around. Turns out the wire is just a scosh
larger in diameter (.020-.030 IIRC) than the rod, but actually has about
1000 pounds higher break strength. The ends on the top of the shrouds and
jump stays fit into the existing ball sockets for the rod rigging, and the
bottom of the shrouds have Norseman fittings to facilitate fitting and
replacement of the shrouds if it is ever needed. The best part, though, was
that the whole job was $200 to $300 LESS than the cost for just testing and
evaluating the rod.
I would not be too concerned about the rod rigging, but would talk to a
competent rigger about having it inspected. And if replacement is needed,
you too might want to think about using Dyform wire as an alternative to
rod.
Rick Brass
Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2
la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
Washington, NC
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David
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Subject: Stus-List thread reply and rod rigging
Hi, can someone tell me how to reply to a thread? Sorry, I can't figure it
out. So I started a new one.
Next I looked at a 1984 CNC 35 M3 yesterday. Concerned about the rod
rigging. This boat is run down so I don't expect a record of rigging
inspection or service.
A rigger friend recommended full replacement.
Is this correct? And what are alternatives? What is a rod replacement cost
approx? And is a wire replacement smart/ advisable/ cost effective or too
heavy? Technology has moved ahead in 30 years.
I love the boat layout etc. But suspect rigging will kill my offshore
pleasure!
Many thanks,
David.
David Dawes
Captain
Newport, RI, USA
+1(401)5854942
dawes...@hotmail.com <mailto:dawes...@hotmail.com>
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From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
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David,
If you're looking at reheading all the rigging, think about pulling the
rig, removing all the shrouds, coiling them up and taking them to a NavTec
shop. You can coil the rod to no LESS than 200 times diameter and strap it
to an "X" made of 2 x 4's for transport. UPS will ship it.
You didn't say where you were. There may be a NavTec shop near you. Throw
it in a pickup and drive it there.
Before you coil it, make a list of each rod and carefully measure the pin
to pin distance. That is, between the centers of the hole in each end.
Also measure the pin diameters. Now you have a record of the rig.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 7:19 AM, David Dawes via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hi, can someone tell me how to reply to a thread? Sorry, I can?t figure
> it out. So I started a new one.
>
>
> Next I looked at a 1984 CNC 35 M3 yesterday. Concerned about the rod
> rigging. This boat is run down so I don?t expect a record of rigging
> inspection or service.
>
> A rigger friend recommended full replacement.
>
> Is this correct? And what are alternatives? What is a rod replacement
> cost approx? And is a wire replacement smart/ advisable/ cost effective
or
> too heavy? Technology has moved ahead in 30 years.
>
> I love the boat layout etc. But suspect rigging will kill my offshore
> pleasure!
>
> Many thanks,
>
> David.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Dawes
> Captain
> Newport, RI, USA
> +1(401)5854942
> dawes...@hotmail.com
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:22:50 -0700
From: Pierre Tremblay <tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List 86 C&C MKIII 38-ft owner's manual
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Hi Larry,
Welcome to The list.
Yeah, another 38-3 owner on the list. It make's three that I am aware of. :)
I also have my manual in its original orange plasticized binder.
Is she a fin, or wing keel?
Pierre Tremblay
Avalanche #54988
C&C38-3 WK, hull #76
________________________________
De : Douglas via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
? : cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Envoy? le : lundi 13 octobre 2014 14h01
Objet : Stus-List 86 C&C MKIII 38-ft owner's manual
Good-day all
I recently purchased a C&C
We were the market a Sail Boat and fell in love with this vessel.
Pretty darn good shape. Pretty much like new inside and excellent shape
outside.
Very little use. Just a couple times a year and the owner paid to have it
maintained.
To the point. I got in touch with one of the fellows that was with C&C in
the 80's
He sent me a copy of the original owner's manual.
I would be willing to post it on the site or send it to someone in a pdf
file.
I am going to copy it and attempt to make it into a word doc. That process
is not always successful.
For now if someone needs
a copy or could tell me how to post it on the site.
Thanks.
Larry
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Volvo ocean race game? (OldSteveH)
2. Re: Redline 41 (Jerome Tauber)
3. Re: thread reply and rod rigging (Rick Brass)
4. Re: thread reply and rod rigging (Dennis
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:09:35 -0400
From: OldSteveH <oldste...@sympatico.ca>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo ocean race game?
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There's another online nav game with which some may be familiar:
Virtual-loup-de-mer.org
French website but most interface is available in English.
It's not as graphically fancy as Volvo but seems to be more for 'serious'
nav players.
I
have been on and off it over last 10 years and some of the same dudes are
still there . . .
Free and ad-free always works for me.
A bigger race like VOR or Vendee will get over 1000 entrants.
The interface is good and it's accurate, ie good charts, but if you want a
nicer looking GUI there are some apps such as Frogtools which work with the
website.
With that and Ugrib you're all set.
Cheers
Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 22:34:07 -0300
From: Graham Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Volvo ocean race game?
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Anyone doing the volvo ocean race game? (Virtual regatta at
http://www.virtualregatta.com/)
--
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:39:18 -0400
From: Jerome Tauber <jrtau...@aol.com>
To: Bruno Lachance <bruno_lacha...@hotmail.com>,
"cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Redline 41
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For around 50-75K you can get a late 80s C&C 41 with PHRF around 70. I
assume the Redline 41 will come in somewhere around PHRF 25.
Jerry. C&C. 27 V J&J.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 12, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> i did not see the new Redline 41, But i
hope that it is more than
"slithtly" higher quality than a Bene or a Hanse. i charter a brand new
(1month) Hanse in the BVI last year. nice boat, but the quality of the
inside is fairly cheap and the deck hardware is minimal... this is just not
the same buyer in my opinion. The comp?tition is more like Jboats, Xboats
and other european speedsters.
>
> i just hope they do well and add more boats to the new C&C lineup. but its
a very tough market out there.
>
> you luck you could step on it!
>
> Bruno
> c&c 33 mkII
> Becassine
>
> Envoy? de mon iPad
>
>> Le 2014-10-11 ? 12:32, Roger Ware via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> a
?crit :
>>
>> Joel, You forgot to mention the bad- the 41 is a very expensive boat
$400K. Hard to see how it
will compete well with the slightly lower quality
but much lower priced Beneteaus and Hanses.
>> Roger Ware, Kingston, ON
>>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson via CnC-List
>> Sent: October-11-14 12:00 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Redline 41
>>
>> spent a few minutes on the new 41 at the boat show The good- large
cockpit, boat appears solid. The bad- winch placement, cabin steps are too
far apart, cabin feels very small, aft quarterberths are open with no door
for privacy while cruising, door to head is in forward cabin. Better racer
than cruiser
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joel
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From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net>
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In 2011 I had a toggle break on the starboard jump stay on my 1976 C&C 38.
It caused me to question the integrity of the rod rigging.
It was, after all, 36 years old at the time and there was no previous
indication of any trouble brewing. But my future plans include offshore
cruising and at least one more trip to Bermuda. So I decided to do the
conservative thing and have the rig looked at.
To my great surprise, my rigger and Navtec both recommended having the
rigging removed and shipped back to Navtec for non-destructive testing and
to be x-rayed. The tech at Navtec was pretty negative about the reliability
of testing the rod with dye. Based on the
results Navtec would either rehead
the rod or replace it - at extra charge of course. The work, shipping, and
testing was going to cost almost $4000.
In a search for alternatives, my rigger suggested replacing the rod with
Dyform wire. I had to put on a wire head stay anyway since I would be
installing roller furling when the mast was down(putting a roller furler on
rod seems to be a not recommended procedure). So I looked hard at the
alternative of Dyform wire all around. Turns out the wire is just a scosh
larger in diameter (.020-.030 IIRC) than the rod, but actually has about
1000 pounds higher break strength. The ends on the top of the shrouds and
jump stays fit into the existing ball sockets for the rod rigging, and the
bottom of the shrouds have Norseman fittings to facilitate fitting and
replacement of the shrouds if it is ever needed. The best part, though, was
that the whole job was $200 to
$300 LESS than the cost for just testing and
evaluating the rod.
I would not be too concerned about the rod rigging, but would talk to a
competent rigger about having it inspected. And if replacement is needed,
you too might want to think about using Dyform wire as an alternative to
rod.
Rick Brass
Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2
la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
Washington, NC
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David
Dawes via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 8:20 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List thread reply and rod rigging
Hi, can someone tell me how to reply to a thread? Sorry, I can't
figure it
out. So I started a new one.
Next I looked at a 1984 CNC 35 M3 yesterday. Concerned about the rod
rigging. This boat is run down so I don't expect a record of rigging
inspection or service.
A rigger friend recommended full replacement.
Is this correct? And what are alternatives? What is a rod replacement cost
approx? And is a wire replacement smart/ advisable/ cost effective or too
heavy? Technology has moved ahead in 30 years.
I love the boat layout etc. But suspect rigging will kill my offshore
pleasure!
Many thanks,
David.
David Dawes
Captain
Newport, RI, USA
+1(401)5854942
dawes...@hotmail.com <mailto:dawes...@hotmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:56:56 -0500
From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
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David,
If you're looking at reheading all the rigging, think about pulling the
rig, removing all the shrouds, coiling them up and taking them to a NavTec
shop. You can coil the rod to no LESS than 200 times diameter and strap it
to an "X" made of 2 x 4's for transport. UPS will ship it.
You didn't say where you were. There may be a NavTec shop near you. Throw
it in a pickup and drive it there.
Before you coil it, make a list of each rod and carefully measure the pin
to pin distance. That is, between the centers of the hole in each
end.
Also measure the pin diameters. Now you have a record of the rig.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 7:19 AM, David Dawes via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hi, can someone tell me how to reply to a thread? Sorry, I can?t figure
> it out. So I started a new one.
>
>
> Next I looked at a 1984 CNC 35 M3 yesterday. Concerned about the rod
> rigging. This boat is run down so I don?t expect a record of rigging
> inspection or service.
>
> A rigger friend recommended full replacement.
>
> Is this correct? And what are alternatives? What is a rod replacement
> cost approx? And is a wire replacement smart/ advisable/ cost effective
or
> too heavy? Technology has
moved ahead in 30 years.
>
> I love the boat layout etc. But suspect rigging will kill my offshore
> pleasure!
>
> Many thanks,
>
> David.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Dawes
> Captain
> Newport, RI, USA
> +1(401)5854942
> dawes...@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
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