Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?),

Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty years you will have a chaulking problem down the road.

I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada).

On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot urethane that the Admiral & I put on, roll & tip for cockpit, deck and cabin.

For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep & primer is 80% of the job.

        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1

(A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :)


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Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s.

I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic.  After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into the picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up but I am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the first time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat (the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase price without doing anything but what fun is that?

Best
Skip

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You must be *extraordinarily* good at doing work on the cheap. My boat could really use new sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost of that exceeds the market value of the boat. I did rewire my boat and that cost a good chunk of your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I have been quoted around $10K to paint the boat and over $5K to do interior cushions. I am not trying to be a Richard Cranium – I love the fact an old C&C has found a loving home – but I don’t see the finances working the way you think. I have seen again and again that once you start taking things apart you find more and more things to work on. Good luck – I am anxious to hear how you get topsides and interior done so far under the going rate because I need it too. I am pretty good at A4 scrounging if you need advice with that.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat.

Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting..

Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner.

Ship
C&C 33 3/4ton
Portsmouth, RI
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