The Sole on Breeze is 12" above water, if I were to put through hulls with no 
valve through above the waterline they wold be roughly 10" below the cockpit 
sole with the boat level. Not sure if that is enough or not, have been trying 
to find the magic formula, there must be one somewhere. I don't fancy the 
crossed lines idea, doesn't really make sense to me with the hull shape of this 
boat which is pretty flat in the stern area. I do wonder if a larger seacock 
with a T on the top would work, both drains into the same seacock since you are 
only using one when underway anyway. I could probably rig an extension to the 
handle on that which could be easily operated from the lazarette, put it in the 
middle and get rid of the other two, that gives me more vertical drop and the 
ability to close it without crawling into the bilge. To the person who said you 
just have to empty the quarter berth, you should meet my sig other one day, it 
will be interesting to watch. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who up 
until 4 years ago was a pure racer. You wouldn't survive the conversation 
believe me! Having cruised with this lady on a Humboldt 30, I too saw the 
light, hence Breeze.

Also, thank you all for your input, much appreciated. Aloha,

John


On 2014-01-12, at 5:07 PM, Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Fred;
>  
> I said “ If the lee scupper will be at or below the waterline” when heeled. I 
> have been aboard boats where that is the case and water flows back from the 
> through hull and collects in the low side of the cockpit, producing cold wet 
> feet if you aren’t careful. A San Juan and a Cal owned by friends come to 
> mind.
>  
> My 38 has the sole high enough that this has never happened. My 25 will let a 
> small amount of water into the low side when heeled at about 30 degrees – 
> that must be the point where the scupper reaches  the level of the waterline 
> – quite a bit comes in if you get the 25 heeled to the point the toerail is 
> in the water.
>  
> You are right and the crossed lines out the side of the boat would not drain 
> when heeled.
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
> G Street
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 7:31 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Cockpit Drains to Thru-Hulls
>  
> Rick — are you sure about this?  If he does this, and has the drains exit 
> above the waterline, the cockpit will never drain when heeled; the water 
> won’t be able to run uphill!
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>  
> On Jan 12, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> If the lee scupper will be at or below the waterline when
> sailing at 25 degrees of heel, it might be a good idea to run the hose from
> the port scupper to the starboard side of the boat (and vice versa) to
> prevent back flow of water into the cockpit.
>  
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