Guys, I raced 2 Chicago Macs and 1 Port Huron Mac in the 80's and no one wore PFD's despite up to 40 knot winds on the nose and no roller furling so many sail changes in the dark. Also no safety harness or clipping in. Also, sailed the Caribbean in the same years and no safety gear was worn, ever. I am not saying this was good, it just was. Of course now in my 60th year and for the last 15 I have been using all of the safety gear, but only when the seas are getting up or it is dark. It is pretty hard to fall out of a well found well sailed boat if you observe basic body positioning and keep one hand on the vessel at all times. But then I played a lot of football and maybe got wacked too many times.
John Ashe, Baltic 39 -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:53 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 94, Issue 66 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Redford's movie.... (Dave Godwin) 2. Re: Redford's movie.... (Jerome Tauber) 3. Fwd: C&C 30 mkII New Owner (Robert Gallagher) 4. Re: Redford's movie.... (coltrek) 5. Re: Redford's movie.... (Dave Godwin) 6. Re: Redford's movie.... (j...@svpaws.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:20:49 -0500 From: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... Message-ID: <bdb36ec5-7384-4742-85cc-7a39ee446...@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" My wife and I saw it last night. And yes, like many of you I squirmed at the timing of repairs, the methods, the strange priority of responding to problems and so on. I was muttering the entire movie. But my wife had a little different take on things. Since it seemed to be pretty clear from the opening of the movie that he was a bit of wreck in real life it might stand to reason that what you saw in his responses to problems may have been how he approached many of his problems in life and maybe why he was out there alone. I thought this line of reasoning had some merit. And yeah, it?s Hollywood so... My wife did reconsider the whole boat thing though. :-) Cheers, Dave 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin On Nov 21, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net> wrote: > The bashing could go on for days, weeks, or until morale improves. > I suggest looking at the string on Sailing Anarchy, they pretty much have it > covered. > It was disappointing tho , all the little things, it could have been so much > better with very little effort. Just things like actually being concerned > that you boat is filling with water and stuffing a vest in the hole, bailing > with buckets, or tacking so as to not sail with a hole under water, etc - > But most of us sailors are an overly critical bunch, and non-sailors probably > won?t notice most of that stuff. > > Bill Coleman > C&C 39 <image001.gif> > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > Frederick G Street > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:49 AM > To: LKL Architects > Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... > > I saw it last weekend; and agree that it?s an acting tour de force for > Redford. > > Still, no PFD ever?! And he clips his harness on to the lifelines?! I?m not > sure they had a decent marine/sailing consultant on the film; or maybe they > ignored him/her? > > I?m posting this to the list for further bashing. :^) > > ? Fred > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > > On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:40 AM, LKL Architects <lklarchite...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Good morning....Fred.... > > just curious if you have see "All Is Lost" ? .... I saw it last night....and > kinda surprised comments about it have not hit the list..... > > Even the novice that I am .... saw many flaws....but then again...it is > hollywood....and it is a movie....but did confirm one thing.....S_ _ T > happens.... > > ok....all for now... > > Lloyd > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, no life jacket is inexcusable but was probably done purely for aesthetic purposes. All in all it was a pretty good movie. Don't forget a couple of handheld gps and extra batteries for your ditch bag. The boat was a 1970's Cal 39 (they used three, one for ocean sailing scenes, on on set for below and one for special effects, i.e sinking. Jerry. C&C 27-V. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 21, 2013 11:01 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... The bashing could go on for days, weeks, or until morale improves. I suggest looking at the string on Sailing Anarchy, they prettymuch have it covered. It was disappointing tho , all the little things, it could havebeen so much better with very little effort. Just things like actually beingconcerned that you boat is filling with water and stuffing a vest in the hole,bailing with buckets, or tacking so as to not sail with a hole under water, etc- But most of us sailors are an overly critical bunch, and non-sailors probablywon?t notice most of that stuff. Bill Coleman C&C 39 From: CnC-List[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:49 AM To: LKL Architects Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... I saw it last weekend; and agree that it?s an actingtour de force for Redford. Still, no PFD ever?! And he clips his harness on tothe lifelines?! I?m not sure they had a decent marine/sailingconsultant on the film; or maybe they ignored him/her? I?m posting this to the list for further bashing. :^) ? Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&CLandfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:40 AM, LKL Architects <lklarchite...@gmail.com> wrote: Goodmorning....Fred.... justcurious if you have see "All Is Lost" ? .... I saw itlast night....and kinda surprised comments about it have not hit thelist..... Eventhe novice that I am .... saw many flaws....but then again...it ishollywood....and it is a movie....but did confirm one thing.....S_ _ Thappens.... ok....allfor now... Lloyd _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131121/955fd4d8/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My Yanmar needs a bit of throttle if its cool outside. If it's really cold I need to give it up to 3/4 throttle and it takes a few cranks. I think this could be normal on an engine without glow plugs. When it is warm out, or the engine is warm it starts right up. I get a little smoke at start up but then it runs fine. I think there is more smoke with a colder engine. Since you purchased your boat in the fall, if it was me I would wait until I saw how the engine started and ran in warm weather before I made a decision on the injectors. Disclaimer: this is my first diesel so take that for what it's worth (for months I thought that toggle switch on the engine control panel was a glow plug switch and faithfully held it down for 30 seconds before starting... it took months before I figures it out). Reef early and it's a fun boat. So reef early. :) Going out in conditions that I would not think twice about a full main, a 135%, single handed, with a glass of merlot and a plate of cheese in the cockpit in my old MKI found me rounding up out of control gulping my wine before it spilled on the MKII. However, the cabin design and light air performance more than make up for having to think a little more before going out in a breeze. Sail on... Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131121/bdd7097c/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:20:54 -0500 From: coltrek <colt...@verizon.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... Message-ID: <3go2n9fb1u1rm662adc4rrcy.1385058054...@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" That's a happy face. ?Does that mean she's never sailing again, or she is going to encourage you to sail more by yourself? ?(&take out a policy on you. ?. .) Wild Bill -------- Original message -------- From: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> Date: 11/21/2013 12:20 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... My wife and I saw it last night. And yes, like many of you I squirmed at the timing of repairs, the methods, the strange priority of responding to problems and so on. I was muttering the entire movie. But my wife had a little different take on things. Since it seemed to be pretty clear from the opening of the movie that he was a bit of wreck in real life it might stand to reason that what you saw in his responses to problems may have been how he approached many of his problems in life and maybe why he was out there alone. I thought this line of reasoning had some merit. And yeah, it?s Hollywood so... My wife did reconsider the whole boat thing though. ?:-) Cheers, Dave 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin On Nov 21, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net> wrote: The bashing could go on for days, weeks, or until morale improves. I suggest looking at the string on Sailing Anarchy, they pretty much have it covered. It was disappointing tho , all the little things, it could have been so much better with very little effort. Just things like actually being concerned that you boat is filling with water and stuffing a vest in the hole, bailing with buckets, or tacking so as to not sail with a hole under water, etc - ?But most of us sailors are an overly critical bunch, and non-sailors probably won?t notice most of that stuff. ? Bill Coleman C&C 39?<image001.gif> ? From:?CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]?On Behalf Of?Frederick G Street Sent:?Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:49 AM To:?LKL Architects Cc:?cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject:?Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... ? I saw it last weekend; and agree that it?s an acting tour de force for Redford. ? Still, no PFD ever?! ?And he clips his harness on to the lifelines?! ?I?m not sure they had a decent marine/sailing consultant on the film; or maybe they ignored him/her? ? I?m posting this to the list for further bashing. ? :^) ? ? Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V?Oceanis?(1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI???:^( ? On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:40 AM, LKL Architects <lklarchite...@gmail.com> wrote: ? Good morning....Fred.... ? just curious if you have see "All?Is?Lost"?? .... I saw it last night....and kinda surprised comments about?it have not hit the list..... ? Even the novice that I am .... saw many flaws....but then again...it is hollywood....and it is a movie....but did confirm one thing.....S_ _ T happens.... ? ok....all for now... ? Lloyd ? _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131121/7a7d08cc/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:26:14 -0500 From: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> To: coltrek <colt...@verizon.net>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... Message-ID: <fa111a7d-cbd1-41f8-abe9-d4ff1c404...@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Yeah, a bit confusing. Actually, she loves the boat. So long as it never leaves the Chesapeake Bay. She?s done a few Bay to Newport RI and back deliveries on larger boats plus a Delmarva circumnavigation on our boat. These days when I mention that I?m planning on taking the boat to the Bahamas her response is ?have a nice time, call when you arrive and let me know where the nearest airport is.? Cheers, Dave 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin On Nov 21, 2013, at 1:20 PM, coltrek <colt...@verizon.net> wrote: > That's a happy face. Does that mean she's never sailing again, or she > is going to encourage you to sail more by yourself? (&take out a > policy on you. . .) > > > Wild Bill > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> > Date: 11/21/2013 12:20 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... > > > My wife and I saw it last night. And yes, like many of you I squirmed at the > timing of repairs, the methods, the strange priority of responding to > problems and so on. I was muttering the entire movie. > > But my wife had a little different take on things. Since it seemed to be > pretty clear from the opening of the movie that he was a bit of wreck in real > life it might stand to reason that what you saw in his responses to problems > may have been how he approached many of his problems in life and maybe why he > was out there alone. > > I thought this line of reasoning had some merit. And yeah, it?s Hollywood > so... > > My wife did reconsider the whole boat thing though. :-) > > Cheers, > Dave > 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin > > On Nov 21, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> The bashing could go on for days, weeks, or until morale improves. >> I suggest looking at the string on Sailing Anarchy, they pretty much have it >> covered. >> It was disappointing tho , all the little things, it could have been so much >> better with very little effort. Just things like actually being concerned >> that you boat is filling with water and stuffing a vest in the hole, bailing >> with buckets, or tacking so as to not sail with a hole under water, etc - >> But most of us sailors are an overly critical bunch, and non-sailors >> probably won?t notice most of that stuff. >> >> Bill Coleman >> C&C 39 <image001.gif> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick >> G Street >> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:49 AM >> To: LKL Architects >> Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... >> >> I saw it last weekend; and agree that it?s an acting tour de force for >> Redford. >> >> Still, no PFD ever?! And he clips his harness on to the lifelines?! I?m >> not sure they had a decent marine/sailing consultant on the film; or maybe >> they ignored him/her? >> >> I?m posting this to the list for further bashing. :^) >> >> ? Fred >> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( >> >> On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:40 AM, LKL Architects <lklarchite...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Good morning....Fred.... >> >> just curious if you have see "All Is Lost" ? .... I saw it last night....and >> kinda surprised comments about it have not hit the list..... >> >> Even the novice that I am .... saw many flaws....but then again...it is >> hollywood....and it is a movie....but did confirm one thing.....S_ _ T >> happens.... >> >> ok....all for now... >> >> Lloyd >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131121/612e9c56/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:53:17 -0500 From: "j...@svpaws.net" <j...@svpaws.net> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... Message-ID: <94f8441c-bd6c-48ee-9ba5-af1e75ae7...@svpaws.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" That's actually a nice trip. Jump off from Charleston and avoid the nightmare of the ICW. Pick the right window. Fwiw, I love the Bahamas - friendly people and the cleanest water anywhere remotely close to North America. Great trip, and that in a 7'+ draft boat. John Sent from my iPad > On Nov 21, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> wrote: > > Yeah, a bit confusing. Actually, she loves the boat. So long as it never > leaves the Chesapeake Bay. She?s done a few Bay to Newport RI and back > deliveries on larger boats plus a Delmarva circumnavigation on our boat. > > These days when I mention that I?m planning on taking the boat to the Bahamas > her response is ?have a nice time, call when you arrive and let me know where > the nearest airport is.? > > Cheers, > Dave > 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin > > >> On Nov 21, 2013, at 1:20 PM, coltrek <colt...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> That's a happy face. Does that mean she's never sailing again, or she is >> going to encourage you to sail more by yourself? (&take out a policy on >> you. . .) >> >> >> Wild Bill >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> >> Date: 11/21/2013 12:20 PM (GMT-05:00) >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... >> >> >> My wife and I saw it last night. And yes, like many of you I squirmed at the >> timing of repairs, the methods, the strange priority of responding to >> problems and so on. I was muttering the entire movie. >> >> But my wife had a little different take on things. Since it seemed to be >> pretty clear from the opening of the movie that he was a bit of wreck in >> real life it might stand to reason that what you saw in his responses to >> problems may have been how he approached many of his problems in life and >> maybe why he was out there alone. >> >> I thought this line of reasoning had some merit. And yeah, it?s Hollywood >> so... >> >> My wife did reconsider the whole boat thing though. :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Dave >> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin >> >>> On Nov 21, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> The bashing could go on for days, weeks, or until morale improves. >>> I suggest looking at the string on Sailing Anarchy, they pretty much have >>> it covered. >>> It was disappointing tho , all the little things, it could have been so >>> much better with very little effort. Just things like actually being >>> concerned that you boat is filling with water and stuffing a vest in the >>> hole, bailing with buckets, or tacking so as to not sail with a hole under >>> water, etc - But most of us sailors are an overly critical bunch, and >>> non-sailors probably won?t notice most of that stuff. >>> >>> Bill Coleman >>> C&C 39 <image001.gif> >>> >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >>> Frederick G Street >>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:49 AM >>> To: LKL Architects >>> Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Redford's movie.... >>> >>> I saw it last weekend; and agree that it?s an acting tour de force for >>> Redford. >>> >>> Still, no PFD ever?! And he clips his harness on to the lifelines?! I?m >>> not sure they had a decent marine/sailing consultant on the film; or maybe >>> they ignored him/her? >>> >>> I?m posting this to the list for further bashing. :^) >>> >>> ? 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