My 35MkII also did not have any stops on the quadrant other than the actual quadrant hitting the cockpit sole supports. They were chewed into somewhat... When I had a below deck autopilot installed, the installer added glassed in wood blocks with metal plates for the quadrant to stop against to limit the throw due to the arm travel of the pilot. This completely changed the maneuvering characteristics of the boat and I am having to re-learn how to bring it into the dock!!! I wish I had known this when I bought the system, I might have re-thought the system! Greg Swetka SV Piper 1974 C&C35MkII
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2013, at 8:37 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New Boat (Dr. Mark Bodnar) > 2. Re: [SPAM]Re: 6 part mainsheet (Jake Brodersen) > 3. Re: New Boat (Andrew Burton) > 4. Re: 6 part mainsheet (Josh Muckley) > 5. Re: New Boat (Robert Abbott) > 6. Re: Rudder Stops 35-II (Wally Bryant) > 7. Re: New Boat (Derek Leck) > 8. Re: 6 part mainsheet and also traveller location (Michael Clow) > 9. Self-tailing winches - 35III (Indigo) > 10. Re: Self-tailing winches - 35III (Tim Goodyear) > 11. Re: Self-tailing winches - 35III (Joel Aronson) > 12. Re: 6 part mainsheet and also traveller location (Joel Aronson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:38:50 -0300 > From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List New Boat > Message-ID: <522fad8a.2040...@accesswave.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Ok. So I'm throwing caution into the wind, at least a bit. > > I have an accepted offer on the C&C29 Mk2 in Maine that I mentioned to > the list a while back. > http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/4001084479.html > For $8000. > > Having looked a several boats locally (2 C&C29's I quite liked but > neither would settle for less than $20K, plus a few other boats), and > given the various options avail I decided that this was my best option. > I think I would have liked to get the CS30, but doubtful they would have > dropped the price to where I would have wanted it. > > Little risky making an offer on an unseen boat. I feel like I almost > can't go wrong for $8000. Thank's to Bill for trying to get out to see > it. The seller has been good about giving me info on the boat, and as > best I can tell (emails and a phone conversation) seems honest -- I may > regret that assumption, but the offer is contingent on a survey - so if > there are any major issues then I'll likely just walk away. I likely > wouldn't bother with a survey if I was able to see it personally, but I > think it's prudent in this case, and will also give me a heads up on > issues I need to address once I have the boat in my possession. > > Now the logistics. Bill Burketts suggested a surveyor in the area (not > sure how close) - Gene Barnes. Anyone have any other suggestions? > > Plus the issue of getting the boat home. I've posted a listing on > uShip, but we are thinking about just going and hauling it back. I have > access to a truck that can haul 10-11000lbs, and access to a trailer > that can hold 14000lbs (I need to confirm that these will work together!) > The boat is currently on jack stands. I'm thinking either I buy or > borrow a local cradle. > Does anyone have measurements on the proper cradle base size and pad > spacing for a 29 II? > There is a steel cradle for sale not far away > http://moncton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-other-Steel-Sailboat-Cradle-for-Sale-W0QQAdIdZ509847290 > I'm trying to figure out if it will fit the boat properly - seems short > to me. > > For that matter - anyone near Halifax have a sailboat trailer that would > fit a C&C 29? Or know of any at their club that might be avail for rent? > Or a cradle I could rent? > > Mark > > -- > > --------------------- > Dr. Mark Bodnar > B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) > Bedford Chiropractic > www.bedfordchiro.ca > --------------------- > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > - George Santayana > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:03:49 -0400 > From: "Jake Brodersen" <captain_j...@cox.net> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List [SPAM]Re: 6 part mainsheet > Message-ID: <10ab01ceae82$64e36a10$2eaa3e30$@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Alan, > > > > I had the same troubles. I eliminated one block and now run a 4:1 to a cabin > top winch. I?d still be interested in trying a 6:1 like Joel. I guess I?ll > get some experience with his arrangement next Spring. > > > > Jake > > > > Jake Brodersen > > C&C 35 Mk-III > > Midnight Mistress > > Hampton VA > > > > cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940 > > > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:38 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: [SPAM]Re: Stus-List 6 part mainsheet > > > > My boat came with a 6 part mainsheet arrangement, but I switched to a three > part and self-tailing winch. The problem with the former arrangement: In > light air, when rounding the windward mark, the main wouldn't go out without > someone pushing the boom out. When rounding the leeward mark, it took too > long to trim in the main (the sheet was twice as long). In heavy air, it was > difficult for the crew to release the sheet from the cam cleat. The present > arrangement works better on Thirsty. > > Alan Bergen > C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty > Rose City YC > Portland, OR > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130910/a9fa96db/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2753 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130910/a9fa96db/attachment-0001.jpg> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:08:10 -0400 > From: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat > Message-ID: <c472e370-02f9-4037-8ec9-34d44f776...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Congrats on the impending purchase! As you say, it's hard to go wrong at that > price...but not impossible! > Where in Maine and where are you, Mark? I would seriously consider sailing > her home. That will give you a way better idea of what you need to do than > the surveyor will. Speaking of which, I have a good friend who is an > excellent surveyor in Newport. Let me know if you need to talk to him. > Andy > C&C 40 > Peregrine > > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett > Newport, RI > USA 02840 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > > On Sep 10, 2013, at 19:38, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: > >> >> Ok. So I'm throwing caution into the wind, at least a bit. >> >> I have an accepted offer on the C&C29 Mk2 in Maine that I mentioned to the >> list a while back. >> http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/4001084479.html >> For $8000. >> >> Having looked a several boats locally (2 C&C29's I quite liked but neither >> would settle for less than $20K, plus a few other boats), and given the >> various options avail I decided that this was my best option. I think I >> would have liked to get the CS30, but doubtful they would have dropped the >> price to where I would have wanted it. >> >> Little risky making an offer on an unseen boat. I feel like I almost can't >> go wrong for $8000. Thank's to Bill for trying to get out to see it. The >> seller has been good about giving me info on the boat, and as best I can >> tell (emails and a phone conversation) seems honest -- I may regret that >> assumption, but the offer is contingent on a survey - so if there are any >> major issues then I'll likely just walk away. I likely wouldn't bother with >> a survey if I was able to see it personally, but I think it's prudent in >> this case, and will also give me a heads up on issues I need to address once >> I have the boat in my possession. >> >> Now the logistics. Bill Burketts suggested a surveyor in the area (not sure >> how close) - Gene Barnes. Anyone have any other suggestions? >> >> Plus the issue of getting the boat home. I've posted a listing on uShip, >> but we are thinking about just going and hauling it back. I have access to a >> truck that can haul 10-11000lbs, and access to a trailer that can hold >> 14000lbs (I need to confirm that these will work together!) >> The boat is currently on jack stands. I'm thinking either I buy or borrow a >> local cradle. >> Does anyone have measurements on the proper cradle base size and pad spacing >> for a 29 II? >> There is a steel cradle for sale not far away >> http://moncton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-other-Steel-Sailboat-Cradle-for-Sale-W0QQAdIdZ509847290 >> I'm trying to figure out if it will fit the boat properly - seems short to >> me. >> >> For that matter - anyone near Halifax have a sailboat trailer that would fit >> a C&C 29? Or know of any at their club that might be avail for rent? Or a >> cradle I could rent? >> >> Mark >> >> -- >> >> --------------------- >> Dr. Mark Bodnar >> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) >> Bedford Chiropractic >> www.bedfordchiro.ca >> --------------------- >> >> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. >> - George Santayana >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:18:01 -0400 > From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List 6 part mainsheet > Message-ID: > <CA+zaCRB4Cv3HB0P8WyvUZ+g4gpccXEiVKKEhL=v4dh0bbt8...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Alan, > > This was my solution to the problem of having too much mainsheet rope and > not enough power. Similar to your setup I can course adjust (3:1) with > jammer and winch. Additionally a fine adjust (4:1 x 3:1 = 12:1) is > provided in the cockpit right at the traveller. It would be easy enough to > add to your setup and you could reduce the power to 8:1 (2:1 x 4:1) or 6:1 > (2:1 x 3:1). Check out the pictures in the link. > > https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yY3Qtbi1VSllwM3M&usp=sharing > > > Josh Muckley > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Alan Bergen <alan-at-h...@comcast.net>wrote: > >> My boat came with a 6 part mainsheet arrangement, but I switched to a >> three part and self-tailing winch. The problem with the former >> arrangement: In light air, when rounding the windward mark, the main >> wouldn't go out without someone pushing the boom out. When rounding the >> leeward mark, it took too long to trim in the main (the sheet was twice as >> long). In heavy air, it was difficult for the crew to release the sheet >> from the cam cleat. The present arrangement works better on Thirsty. >> >> Alan Bergen >> C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty >> Rose City YC >> Portland, OR >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> > > > -- > When security matters. > http://www.secure-my-email.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130910/bc82a650/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:54:31 -0300 > From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat > Message-ID: <522fcd57.7040...@eastlink.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Mark: > > If you decide and/or need to insure your new boat, the insurance company > will most likely insist on a recent survey (recent could mean in the > last 5 years) for a 1984 model. Might as well do it up front and know > what you are buying! It's simply boat bucks. > > > Bob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 -84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > > On 2013/09/10 8:38 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote: >> >> Ok. So I'm throwing caution into the wind, at least a bit. >> >> I have an accepted offer on the C&C29 Mk2 in Maine that I mentioned to >> the list a while back. >> http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/4001084479.html > for $8000. >> >> Having looked a several boats locally (2 C&C29's I quite liked but >> neither would settle for less than $20K, plus a few other boats), and >> given the various options avail I decided that this was my best >> option. I think I would have liked to get the CS30, but doubtful they >> would have dropped the price to where I would have wanted it. >> >> Little risky making an offer on an unseen boat. I feel like I almost >> can't go wrong for $8000. Thank's to Bill for trying to get out to >> see it. The seller has been good about giving me info on the boat, >> and as best I can tell (emails and a phone conversation) seems honest >> -- I may regret that assumption, but the offer is contingent on a >> survey - so if there are any major issues then I'll likely just walk >> away. I likely wouldn't bother with a survey if I was able to see it >> personally, but I think it's prudent in this case, and will also give >> me a heads up on issues I need to address once I have the boat in my >> possession. >> >> Now the logistics. Bill Burketts suggested a surveyor in the area >> (not sure how close) - Gene Barnes. Anyone have any other suggestions? >> >> Plus the issue of getting the boat home. I've posted a listing on >> uShip, but we are thinking about just going and hauling it back. I >> have access to a truck that can haul 10-11000lbs, and access to a >> trailer that can hold 14000lbs (I need to confirm that these will work >> together!) >> The boat is currently on jack stands. I'm thinking either I buy or >> borrow a local cradle. >> Does anyone have measurements on the proper cradle base size and pad >> spacing for a 29 II? >> There is a steel cradle for sale not far away >> http://moncton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-other-Steel-Sailboat-Cradle-for-Sale-W0QQAdIdZ509847290 >> >> >> I'm trying to figure out if it will fit the boat properly - seems >> short to me. >> >> For that matter - anyone near Halifax have a sailboat trailer that >> would fit a C&C 29? Or know of any at their club that might be avail >> for rent? Or a cradle I could rent? >> >> Mark >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:41:46 +0000 > From: Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder Stops 35-II > Message-ID: <52303ada.6040...@wbryant.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Alex -- Well, I'll chime in. see: > <http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/steering/stopblocks/index.htm> > <http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/steering/new/index.htm> > > I hadn't looked at that page in years, and it brings back some fond > memories. Right. > > re stop blocks. A radial quadrant has pegs covered with rubber hose. > On my boat those pegs hit blocks glassed onto the bottom of the cockpit > sole. Someone mentioned metal angle iron bolted on, and that makes > sense as long as the bolts are installed correctly. On my boat I saw > some wear on the stop blocks and fiberglass, but more importantly I saw > a crack between the block and the bottom of the cockpit sole. That > probably happened when someone went into reverse without holding the > wheel and the rudder slammed to one side. It was before my time, so > can't say for sure. > > The reason angle iron makes sense is that it's very important that the > peg on the quadrant hits the stop block perfectly. When I reglassed > mine, I didn't get the port side block perfect. It's about 1/32" > inboard at the top side. Believe it or not, I can feel that 1/32" when > turning hard to port. Boats really do talk to you if you sail them long > enough. They sing when they're sailing happy, and they cry when > something's wrong. If the helm is hard to port I can feel the rudder > post torque as the quadrant hits the imperfect stop block, so I ease off > a little bit. If the peg doesn't hit the stop block perfectly, the > whole quadrant twists a little, and there's enough leverage to apply > pressure to the rudder post that can eventually weaken the bearings. > > Wal > > > Alex wrote: >> When I poked my nose under the sole, I >>> noticed <snip> some wear marks on the fiberglass cloth. >>> What do the other boats have? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:36:27 -0400 > From: Derek Leck <derek.l...@metzgers.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat > Message-ID: <bf252429-e452-4b0a-8a3c-315c51b6e...@metzgers.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Assuming the mast is keel stepped make sure keel sump is ok. Look out for any > recent "cosmetic" repairs inside and out in that area. Make sure surveyor is > aware of potential issue especially if boat was raced allot. > > > > : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : > > Derek Leck : : Account Manager > METZGERS : : www.metzgers.com > 419.861.8611 x4824 : : fax: 419.861.3299 > > Get Involved! > http://www.metzgers.com/social-media > On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:54 PM, "Robert Abbott" <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> wrote: > >> Mark: >> >> If you decide and/or need to insure your new boat, the insurance company >> will most likely insist on a recent survey (recent could mean in the >> last 5 years) for a 1984 model. Might as well do it up front and know >> what you are buying! It's simply boat bucks. >> >> >> Bob Abbott >> AZURA >> C&C 32 -84 >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> >> >> >> On 2013/09/10 8:38 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote: >>> >>> Ok. So I'm throwing caution into the wind, at least a bit. >>> >>> I have an accepted offer on the C&C29 Mk2 in Maine that I mentioned to >>> the list a while back. >>> http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/4001084479.html >> for $8000. >>> >>> Having looked a several boats locally (2 C&C29's I quite liked but >>> neither would settle for less than $20K, plus a few other boats), and >>> given the various options avail I decided that this was my best >>> option. I think I would have liked to get the CS30, but doubtful they >>> would have dropped the price to where I would have wanted it. >>> >>> Little risky making an offer on an unseen boat. I feel like I almost >>> can't go wrong for $8000. Thank's to Bill for trying to get out to >>> see it. The seller has been good about giving me info on the boat, >>> and as best I can tell (emails and a phone conversation) seems honest >>> -- I may regret that assumption, but the offer is contingent on a >>> survey - so if there are any major issues then I'll likely just walk >>> away. I likely wouldn't bother with a survey if I was able to see it >>> personally, but I think it's prudent in this case, and will also give >>> me a heads up on issues I need to address once I have the boat in my >>> possession. >>> >>> Now the logistics. Bill Burketts suggested a surveyor in the area >>> (not sure how close) - Gene Barnes. Anyone have any other suggestions? >>> >>> Plus the issue of getting the boat home. I've posted a listing on >>> uShip, but we are thinking about just going and hauling it back. I >>> have access to a truck that can haul 10-11000lbs, and access to a >>> trailer that can hold 14000lbs (I need to confirm that these will work >>> together!) >>> The boat is currently on jack stands. I'm thinking either I buy or >>> borrow a local cradle. >>> Does anyone have measurements on the proper cradle base size and pad >>> spacing for a 29 II? >>> There is a steel cradle for sale not far away >>> http://moncton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-other-Steel-Sailboat-Cradle-for-Sale-W0QQAdIdZ509847290 >>> >>> I'm trying to figure out if it will fit the boat properly - seems >>> short to me. >>> >>> For that matter - anyone near Halifax have a sailboat trailer that >>> would fit a C&C 29? Or know of any at their club that might be avail >>> for rent? Or a cradle I could rent? >>> >>> Mark >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:00:11 -0400 > From: "Michael Clow" <mdc...@warmgear.com> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 6 part mainsheet and also traveller location > Message-ID: <026301ceaee6$79d0c800$6d725800$@warmgear.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Our modified 6 part mainsheet arrangement can be seen here: > http://desiresailing.org/CnC32MainSheetModification.pdf. > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Clow > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:29 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List 6 part mainsheet and also traveller location > > > > I have the same arrangement on my C&C 32 and highly recommend it. The > biggest reason was so when short handed the driver can have access to the > main sheet. The other big reason is the responsiveness, especially on > jibes. Late last season we added a main sheet fine tuning block setup. The > classic arrangement is to put it between the two big main sheet 6 to 1 > blocks BUT this did not work because there was not enough vertical distance > between them. So we were able to put the fine tuner horizontally on the > boom. I will take a picture this evening and post to the web and send along > a link. > > > > Michael Clow > > Desire <http://desiresailing.org/> , C&C 32, Lake St. Clair > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David > Knecht > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 9:56 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List 6 part mainsheet and also traveller location > > > > I had a traveller forward of the companionway on my previous 34 and now my > newer 34+. On the 34, I added a triple block with becket and cam (Lewmar) > on the traveller so I had 6:1 up and down to the boom. It worked much more > smoothly than going around all the corners of the stock arrangement. I run > the mainsheet back to the helm and when shorthanded and can adjust the main > easily without going forward to a winch unless it was blowing pretty hard. > I also added a Garhauer vang and instead of the traveller, I used the vang > (vang sheeting) so that the main sheet controlled the boom in and out and > the vang up and down. Far easier when shorthanded than going up to the > coachroof to make adjustments. > > > > Last week, I finally put together the same thing on my newer 34+. I used a > Garhauer triple block (becket cam) which was about half the price of Harken > or Lewmar and far beefier in construction. The main seems to be > significantly larger than my 34 because it is significantly harder to adjust > by hand when blowing, but I can run it to a winch on the coach roof when it > blows and the downward angle bypasses the cam. So I would say that for any > boat up to about 34', the 6:1 works great. I would think harder about it > above 34. Dave > > > > On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On my old C&C 24 I had the traveller aft of the companion way (almost a foot > aft). It was great for handling the main (I also had a good Harken traveller > car there), but it was a major pain for anyone going inside. My admiral > hated it. To the point that the hard requirement for the new(er) boat was > that it had the traveller on the cabin top. > > > > Now we have an easy access below, but the sail trimming is more complicated. > > > > Marek > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > > > > > David Knecht > > Aries > > 1990 C&C 34+ > > New London, CT > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130911/ddbb1813/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 5193 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130911/ddbb1813/attachment-0001.png> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:00:54 -0400 > From: Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Self-tailing winches - 35III > Message-ID: <8ce801dc-e656-4c9d-9960-9c2104d8b...@thethomsons.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Needing advice on whether I should adjust the primary self tailing winches on > Indigo (35III) > > My primaries are set closest to the helm - this I do not intend to change as > it makes for easier short- handed sailing. However the "finger" (sorry don't > know the correct name for it!) that leads the sheet into the jaws are > positioned so they point outboard on both starboard and port winches. My > pretty inexperienced crew often find it difficult to make a clean release > when tacking, and I was wondering if there was a better position for the > "finger". I cruise also, so am thinking that placing them inboard might cause > them to inflict pain in the backs of folks sitting in the cockpit! > > > Would be grateful if other 35Iii owners could please let me know how they > have set up their primaries? > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:18:15 -0400 > From: Tim Goodyear <timg...@gmail.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Self-tailing winches - 35III > Message-ID: <f3db1fe6-5fa0-484e-b655-cfcffcba1...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Jonathan, my self tailing winches (secondaries only) are set up so the line > stripper is about 30 degrees past pointing directly inward. The line comes > off the winch into the cockpit when grinding and you can easily see where to > hook it over when stacking. No complaints about back pain to date, but they > are smaller than your primaries an therefore set back a little more from the > coaming. > > Tim > Mojito > C&C 35-3 > Branford, CT > > On Sep 11, 2013, at 8:00 AM, Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> wrote: > >> Needing advice on whether I should adjust the primary self tailing winches >> on Indigo (35III) >> >> My primaries are set closest to the helm - this I do not intend to change as >> it makes for easier short- handed sailing. However the "finger" (sorry don't >> know the correct name for it!) that leads the sheet into the jaws are >> positioned so they point outboard on both starboard and port winches. My >> pretty inexperienced crew often find it difficult to make a clean release >> when tacking, and I was wondering if there was a better position for the >> "finger". I cruise also, so am thinking that placing them inboard might >> cause them to inflict pain in the backs of folks sitting in the cockpit! >> >> >> Would be grateful if other 35Iii owners could please let me know how they >> have set up their primaries? >> >> -- >> Jonathan >> Indigo C&C 35III >> SOUTHPORT CT >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:24:54 -0400 > From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Self-tailing winches - 35III > Message-ID: <7275382482251377835@unknownmsgid> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The stripper should be pointed towards the person tailing. Jonathan, > sounds like yours are off by 180 degrees. Remove the center ring > using your gas key, lift up the drum and tailer, rotate and lover it > back into place and tighten the ring. > > Joel > 35/3 > Annapolis > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 11, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Tim Goodyear <timg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Jonathan, my self tailing winches (secondaries only) are set up so the line >> stripper is about 30 degrees past pointing directly inward. The line comes >> off the winch into the cockpit when grinding and you can easily see where to >> hook it over when stacking. No complaints about back pain to date, but they >> are smaller than your primaries an therefore set back a little more from the >> coaming. >> >> Tim >> Mojito >> C&C 35-3 >> Branford, CT >> >> On Sep 11, 2013, at 8:00 AM, Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> wrote: >> >>> Needing advice on whether I should adjust the primary self tailing winches >>> on Indigo (35III) >>> >>> My primaries are set closest to the helm - this I do not intend to change >>> as it makes for easier short- handed sailing. However the "finger" (sorry >>> don't know the correct name for it!) that leads the sheet into the jaws are >>> positioned so they point outboard on both starboard and port winches. My >>> pretty inexperienced crew often find it difficult to make a clean release >>> when tacking, and I was wondering if there was a better position for the >>> "finger". I cruise also, so am thinking that placing them inboard might >>> cause them to inflict pain in the backs of folks sitting in the cockpit! >>> >>> >>> Would be grateful if other 35Iii owners could please let me know how they >>> have set up their primaries? >>> >>> -- >>> Jonathan >>> Indigo C&C 35III >>> SOUTHPORT CT >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:37:02 -0400 > From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 6 part mainsheet and also traveller location > Message-ID: > <cael16p9+gsx59dikscsppwsxnydynrrycrjkd9r9qnf8kvf...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I posted a photo of my 6:1 mainsheet at https://www.facebook.com/Theoffice35. > Nothing sexy, but very easy to trim in a blow. the Garhaeur blocks fun > pretty free even in light air. > > Joel > 35/3 > Annapolis > > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Michael Clow <mdc...@warmgear.com> wrote: > >> Our modified 6 part mainsheet arrangement can be seen here: >> http://desiresailing.org/CnC32MainSheetModification.pdf.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of >> *Michael >> Clow >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:29 AM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 6 part mainsheet and also traveller location**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I have the same arrangement on my C&C 32 and highly recommend it. The >> biggest reason was so when short handed the driver can have access to the >> main sheet. The other big reason is the responsiveness, especially on >> jibes. Late last season we added a main sheet fine tuning block setup. >> The classic arrangement is to put it between the two big main sheet 6 to 1 >> blocks BUT this did not work because there was not enough vertical distance >> between them. So we were able to put the fine tuner horizontally on the >> boom. I will take a picture this evening and post to the web and send >> along a link. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Michael Clow**** >> >> *Desire <http://desiresailing.org/>*, C&C 32, Lake St. Clair**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* CnC-List >> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] >> *On Behalf Of *David Knecht >> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 9:56 PM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 6 part mainsheet and also traveller location**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I had a traveller forward of the companionway on my previous 34 and now my >> newer 34+. On the 34, I added a triple block with becket and cam (Lewmar) >> on the traveller so I had 6:1 up and down to the boom. It worked much more >> smoothly than going around all the corners of the stock arrangement. I run >> the mainsheet back to the helm and when shorthanded and can adjust the main >> easily without going forward to a winch unless it was blowing pretty hard. >> I also added a Garhauer vang and instead of the traveller, I used the vang >> (vang sheeting) so that the main sheet controlled the boom in and out and >> the vang up and down. Far easier when shorthanded than going up to the >> coachroof to make adjustments. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Last week, I finally put together the same thing on my newer 34+. I used >> a Garhauer triple block (becket cam) which was about half the price of >> Harken or Lewmar and far beefier in construction. The main seems to be >> significantly larger than my 34 because it is significantly harder to >> adjust by hand when blowing, but I can run it to a winch on the coach roof >> when it blows and the downward angle bypasses the cam. So I would say that >> for any boat up to about 34', the 6:1 works great. I would think harder >> about it above 34. Dave**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On my old C&C 24 I had the traveller aft of the companion way (almost a >> foot aft). It was great for handling the main (I also had a good Harken >> traveller car there), but it was a major pain for anyone going inside. My >> admiral hated it. To the point that the hard requirement for the new(er) >> boat was that it had the traveller on the cabin top.**** >> >> **** >> >> Now we have an easy access below, but the sail trimming is more >> complicated.**** >> >> **** >> >> Marek **** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> David Knecht**** >> >> Aries**** >> >> 1990 C&C 34+**** >> >> New London, CT**** >> >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130911/76a18aca/attachment.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 5193 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130911/76a18aca/attachment.png> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 92, Issue 35 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
