So here is what we are doing on Kindred's stern- both sides: Grind off bump Repair glass / core Add g-10 backer over a large portion of stern (inside) Add new t shaped tang (like wichard baby stay tang) with new ss backing plate (3x8 or so) Repaint stern which was needed anyway
I will post pics Richard H. Hulit, Jr. On Aug 26, 2013, at 10:29 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest.. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 37+ Backstay (Edd Schillay) > 2. Re: 37+ Backstay (Joel Aronson) > 3. Drained AGM battery (David Knecht) > 4. Re: 37+ Backstay (Josh Muckley) > 5. Re: Drained AGM battery (Joel Aronson) > 6. Re: Drained AGM battery (Edd Schillay) > 7. Re: Drained AGM battery (Knowles Rich) > 8. Re: Drained AGM battery (David Knecht) > 9. C&C Classic Cove Stripes (Jean-Francois J Rivard) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:57:00 -0400 > From: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List 37+ Backstay > Message-ID: <f59caddc-5990-433c-8760-0f9dbcbeb...@schillay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Joel, > > Funny you said that. When I did the look-see to take the photos, I noticed > that as well. Everything appears to be solid though. I may redo it over the > winter just to be extra safe. > > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website > > On Aug 26, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Edd, >> >> It looks like you have dis-similar metals with an aluminum backing plate and >> stainless bolts. I'd take a close look at them. >> >> Joel > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/fa4c0f56/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:01:33 -0400 > From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 37+ Backstay > Message-ID: > <cael16p_u_s2n1cdd6igs2wyeodzzp5fidwkjnaqy9dznhbw...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The joy of boat ownership! > Joel > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> wrote: > >> Joel, >> >> Funny you said that. When I did the look-see to take the photos, I noticed >> that as well. Everything appears to be solid though. I may redo it over the >> winter just to be extra safe. >> >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Edd >> >> >> Edd M. Schillay >> Starship Enterprise >> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >> City Island, NY >> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website<http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> >> >> On Aug 26, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Edd, >> >> It looks like you have dis-similar metals with an aluminum backing plate >> and stainless bolts. I'd take a close look at them. >> >> Joel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/e1f8cdfd/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:04:36 -0400 > From: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> > To: CnC CnC discussion list <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Drained AGM battery > Message-ID: <3e402941-2117-4d9c-a5d2-31c10524a...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am beginning to feel that I have bad karma with my new boat. First the > good news: based on all the advice I received, the Universal starting issue > seems definitely fixed- since I cleaned the ground connection, it has started > smoothly every time. The only strange thing is that all the directions I > have read say that you should continue to push the glow plug button while > pushing the start button. However, on mine, the engine will not turn over > unless I release the glow plug button. Also, the GPS restarts each time I > start the engine, which may mean there is still some electrical issue, but > neither is a serious problem at this point. > Also, the black smoke etc. is largely gone since I cleaned the bottom and > prop as best I could. The shaft and prop were completely crusted with > barnacles, so clearly my Pettit zinc coat did not do its job. I may try > Velox next spring based on the advice of a local old timer. > > So yesterday I go went to the boat and found that my #1 battery is completely > dead. This is the battery that is wired for the auto-bilge pump switch and > propane fume alarm (that is all I know of). The batteries are 2 month old > Power-tech AGM group 27's. I could not get much of any charge after a day of > running the engine for a few hours totals. > Questions: > 1. do new batteries fail at some rate? > 2. Will an AGM charge from the alternator if fully discharged? If so, > roughly how long would it take? I brought it home and tried to use my smart > charger and that is not charging it at all (the charging light does not come > on). > Perhaps related- I twice was on the boat briefly during the week and found > the Xintex propane fume alarm going. Both times I checked the propane system > and the tank shutoff was closed and all switches were off. So I don't believe > there were really propane fumes in the cabin. So could the sensor have > failed? Could the alarm going for many many hours drain the battery (I don't > think the bilge pump is doing it). > > > David Knecht > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/c5aa1f1f/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: pastedGraphic.tiff > Type: image/tiff > Size: 6852 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/c5aa1f1f/attachment-0001.tiff> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:06:55 -0400 > From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List 37+ Backstay > Message-ID: > <CA+zaCRBXtMAXg=WbwrL9GSrC1o=custl9f9m3oxjry9ywru...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm pretty sure that is how all the 37+'s look right up until the u-bolt > pulls the blacking plate and top of the fiberglass "step" clean off the > boat. Keep a close eye on it. > > Josh > > -- > When privacy matters. > http://www.secure-my-email.com > On Aug 26, 2013 9:57 AM, "Edd Schillay" <e...@schillay.com> wrote: > >> Joel, >> >> Funny you said that. When I did the look-see to take the photos, I noticed >> that as well. Everything appears to be solid though. I may redo it over the >> winter just to be extra safe. >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Edd >> >> >> Edd M. Schillay >> Starship Enterprise >> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >> City Island, NY >> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website<http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> >> >> On Aug 26, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Edd, >> >> It looks like you have dis-similar metals with an aluminum backing plate >> and stainless bolts. I'd take a close look at them. >> >> Joel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/782e29a9/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:12:14 -0400 > From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Drained AGM battery > Message-ID: > <cael16p9jnbx_m_dkuu1di9maxrk86gcpuoqmoxe-sv99pae...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > David, > > Sounds like normal growing pains (in the a__). Don't get discouraged. > > Glow plugs draw a lot of current. My GPS restarts when I start the engine > also. > > Do you know what alternator/regulator are on the boat? Sounds like a bad > sensor. How long since you were last on board? I would imagine the alarm > would drain a battery if it were on for a couple weeks. > > Joel > 35/3 > Annapolis > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:04 AM, David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I am beginning to feel that I have bad karma with my new boat. First the >> good news: based on all the advice I received, the Universal starting >> issue seems definitely fixed- since I cleaned the ground connection, it has >> started smoothly every time. The only strange thing is that all the >> directions I have read say that you should continue to push the glow plug >> button while pushing the start button. However, on mine, the engine will >> not turn over unless I release the glow plug button. Also, the GPS >> restarts each time I start the engine, which may mean there is still some >> electrical issue, but neither is a serious problem at this point. >> Also, the black smoke etc. is largely gone since I cleaned the bottom and >> prop as best I could. The shaft and prop were completely crusted with >> barnacles, so clearly my Pettit zinc coat did not do its job. I may try >> Velox next spring based on the advice of a local old timer. >> >> So yesterday I go went to the boat and found that my #1 battery is >> completely dead. This is the battery that is wired for the auto-bilge pump >> switch and propane fume alarm (that is all I know of). The batteries are 2 >> month old Power-tech AGM group 27's. I could not get much of any charge >> after a day of running the engine for a few hours totals. >> Questions: >> 1. do new batteries fail at some rate? >> 2. Will an AGM charge from the alternator if fully discharged? If so, >> roughly how long would it take? I brought it home and tried to use my >> smart charger and that is not charging it at all (the charging light does >> not come on). >> Perhaps related- I twice was on the boat briefly during the week and found >> the Xintex propane fume alarm going. Both times I checked the propane >> system and the tank shutoff was closed and all switches were off. So I >> don't believe there were really propane fumes in the cabin. So could the >> sensor have failed? Could the alarm going for many many hours drain the >> battery (I don't think the bilge pump is doing it). >> >> >> David Knecht >> Aries >> 1990 C&C 34+ >> New London, CT >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/7da72df9/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: pastedGraphic.tiff > Type: image/tiff > Size: 6852 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/7da72df9/attachment-0001.tiff> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:14:45 -0400 > From: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Drained AGM battery > Message-ID: <84b8e0f3-a1cb-4a10-bdce-52e138500...@schillay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > David, > > Even a brand new AGM battery, fully drained, may not take a charge again. > If your home charger doesn't give you any results, you may have a bad one on > your hands. Most batteries do come with warranties, so if it's not too old, > you may be able to make a swap with the retailer or manufacturer. > > Depending on the amp draw of the alarm, yes, it could drain your battery > after a few hours. So could a bilge pump if the float switch gets crusted > into the on position (Happened to me once - now I use the sensor type). > > As for the sensor, yes, it could have failed, but most times failure means > it won't sound when there's a problem, not continue to sound. I would check > all your hoses and the valve. Also check the bottom of the tank in case > there's a hole. > > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website > > On Aug 26, 2013, at 10:04 AM, David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am beginning to feel that I have bad karma with my new boat. First the >> good news: based on all the advice I received, the Universal starting issue >> seems definitely fixed- since I cleaned the ground connection, it has >> started smoothly every time. The only strange thing is that all the >> directions I have read say that you should continue to push the glow plug >> button while pushing the start button. However, on mine, the engine will >> not turn over unless I release the glow plug button. Also, the GPS restarts >> each time I start the engine, which may mean there is still some electrical >> issue, but neither is a serious problem at this point. >> Also, the black smoke etc. is largely gone since I cleaned the bottom and >> prop as best I could. The shaft and prop were completely crusted with >> barnacles, so clearly my Pettit zinc coat did not do its job. I may try >> Velox next spring based on the advice of a local old timer. >> >> So yesterday I go went to the boat and found that my #1 battery is >> completely dead. This is the battery that is wired for the auto-bilge pump >> switch and propane fume alarm (that is all I know of). The batteries are 2 >> month old Power-tech AGM group 27's. I could not get much of any charge >> after a day of running the engine for a few hours totals. >> Questions: >> 1. do new batteries fail at some rate? >> 2. Will an AGM charge from the alternator if fully discharged? If so, >> roughly how long would it take? I brought it home and tried to use my smart >> charger and that is not charging it at all (the charging light does not come >> on). >> Perhaps related- I twice was on the boat briefly during the week and found >> the Xintex propane fume alarm going. Both times I checked the propane >> system and the tank shutoff was closed and all switches were off. So I don't >> believe there were really propane fumes in the cabin. So could the sensor >> have failed? Could the alarm going for many many hours drain the battery (I >> don't think the bilge pump is doing it). >> >> >> David Knecht >> Aries >> 1990 C&C 34+ >> New London, CT >> >> <pastedGraphic.tiff> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/bec4b2c6/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:16:20 -0300 > From: Knowles Rich <r...@sailpower.ca> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Drained AGM battery > Message-ID: <01a54df9-6ad7-4a26-8ff6-f29119a8a...@sailpower.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > David: > > Someone may have messed with the start circuitry. They glow plugs and start > circuit should be interlocked so the start will not engage without the glow > plug button depressed. > > Your GPS is restarting because it is in the se battery that is starting your > engine and the battery voltage drops below the GPS minimum operating voltage > when the starter motor is operating. > > Your gas sensor could flatten the battery over a few days if it was sounding > constantly. > > Your battery may have failed if you can't even get it charging at home. I > suggest getting it checked by the supplier or any good automotive electric > shop. > > It sounds to me as though some upgrading is in order sir your electrical > system that would separate the batteries into a house bank and an engine > start bank. I can provide a functional diagram if you wish. > > > > > > Rich Knowles > Indigo. LF38 > Halifax > > On 2013-08-26, at 11:04, David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am beginning to feel that I have bad karma with my new boat. First the > good news: based on all the advice I received, the Universal starting issue > seems definitely fixed- since I cleaned the ground connection, it has started > smoothly every time. The only strange thing is that all the directions I > have read say that you should continue to push the glow plug button while > pushing the start button. However, on mine, the engine will not turn over > unless I release the glow plug button. Also, the GPS restarts each time I > start the engine, which may mean there is still some electrical issue, but > neither is a serious problem at this point. > Also, the black smoke etc. is largely gone since I cleaned the bottom and > prop as best I could. The shaft and prop were completely crusted with > barnacles, so clearly my Pettit zinc coat did not do its job. I may try > Velox next spring based on the advice of a local old timer. > > So yesterday I go went to the boat and found that my #1 battery is completely > dead. This is the battery that is wired for the auto-bilge pump switch and > propane fume alarm (that is all I know of). The batteries are 2 month old > Power-tech AGM group 27's. I could not get much of any charge after a day of > running the engine for a few hours totals. > Questions: > 1. do new batteries fail at some rate? > 2. Will an AGM charge from the alternator if fully discharged? If so, > roughly how long would it take? I brought it home and tried to use my smart > charger and that is not charging it at all (the charging light does not come > on). > Perhaps related- I twice was on the boat briefly during the week and found > the Xintex propane fume alarm going. Both times I checked the propane system > and the tank shutoff was closed and all switches were off. So I don't believe > there were really propane fumes in the cabin. So could the sensor have > failed? Could the alarm going for many many hours drain the battery (I don't > think the bilge pump is doing it). > > > David Knecht > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > <pastedGraphic.tiff> > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/124025a4/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:27:27 -0400 > From: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Drained AGM battery > Message-ID: <c1013bd2-2feb-4394-a1d1-521897503...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > On Aug 26, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Knowles Rich <r...@sailpower.ca> wrote: >> >> >> It sounds to me as though some upgrading is in order sir your electrical >> system that would separate the batteries into a house bank and an engine >> start bank. I can provide a functional diagram if you wish. > I do have a house and starting bank and it is the house bank that died. The > starting battery works fine and that is how I tried to recharge the house > battery yesterday on the boat. >> >> >> >> >> >> Rich Knowles >> Indigo. LF38 >> Halifax >> >> On 2013-08-26, at 11:04, David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am beginning to feel that I have bad karma with my new boat. First the >> good news: based on all the advice I received, the Universal starting issue >> seems definitely fixed- since I cleaned the ground connection, it has >> started smoothly every time. The only strange thing is that all the >> directions I have read say that you should continue to push the glow plug >> button while pushing the start button. However, on mine, the engine will >> not turn over unless I release the glow plug button. Also, the GPS restarts >> each time I start the engine, which may mean there is still some electrical >> issue, but neither is a serious problem at this point. >> Also, the black smoke etc. is largely gone since I cleaned the bottom and >> prop as best I could. The shaft and prop were completely crusted with >> barnacles, so clearly my Pettit zinc coat did not do its job. I may try >> Velox next spring based on the advice of a local old timer. >> >> So yesterday I go went to the boat and found that my #1 battery is >> completely dead. This is the battery that is wired for the auto-bilge pump >> switch and propane fume alarm (that is all I know of). The batteries are 2 >> month old Power-tech AGM group 27's. I could not get much of any charge >> after a day of running the engine for a few hours totals. >> Questions: >> 1. do new batteries fail at some rate? >> 2. Will an AGM charge from the alternator if fully discharged? If so, >> roughly how long would it take? I brought it home and tried to use my smart >> charger and that is not charging it at all (the charging light does not come >> on). >> Perhaps related- I twice was on the boat briefly during the week and found >> the Xintex propane fume alarm going. Both times I checked the propane >> system and the tank shutoff was closed and all switches were off. So I don't >> believe there were really propane fumes in the cabin. So could the sensor >> have failed? Could the alarm going for many many hours drain the battery (I >> don't think the bilge pump is doing it). >> >> >> David Knecht >> Aries >> 1990 C&C 34+ >> New London, CT >> >> <pastedGraphic.tiff> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > David Knecht, Ph.D. > Professor and Head of Microscopy Facility > Department of Molecular and Cell Biology > U-3125 > 91 N. Eagleville Rd. > University of Connecticut > Storrs, CT 06269 > 860-486-2200 > 860-486-4331 (fax) > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/c722a855/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:29:21 -0400 > From: Jean-Francois J Rivard <jfriv...@us.ibm.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List C&C Classic Cove Stripes > Message-ID: > <of4a70b080.dc01942d-on85257bd3.004f70e0-85257bd3.004f9...@us.ibm.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Hi Curtis, > > I just bought a 34/36 and I am re-doing the cove stripes on it. The C&C > emblem flanking the sides of the bow were easy to find Holland Marine in > Missisauga Ontario (www.hollandmarine.com) makes reproductions. > > However, After many hours of scoring the web I was not able to find 1/16 - > 1/4 - 1/16 stripes that came originally on the boat as an easy to apply > package but found a way around it: Great Lakes Skipper ( > www.greatlakesskipper.com) Sells Bayliner stripes that are dark blue and > almost a perfect match for the C&C logo stripes. > > The bonus is that the 1/16 stripes come with a backing that gives you the > exact 1/16" spacing you need to build-up the 3 stripes look without looking > like a 6 year old did it. ( > http://greatlakesskipper.com/bayliner-1-8-inch-dark-blue-boat-pinstripe ) > Since the cove stripe area is recessed on my hull you simply apply the 1st > 1/16" stripe on the edge of the recess (A masking tape base strip can help > for this:). Next, lay the 1/4" stripe against the pattern indicator of the > 1st stripe, then lay the 3rd 1/16" stripe using its pattern indicator. > -Done. > > One of my rub strips had a rash from a PO hitting a dock so I also bought a > new rub strip from SouthShore marine (A bit spendy at 250.00 per side but > cleans-up the look considerably) . > > Combine that with a combination Woody wash / wax and good old fashion > compound / carnauba wax job on the whole boat: Looking pretty spiffy my > friend. > > -Francois > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130826/32fefeea/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 91 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
