I believe the constitution was originally planked with American elm which is incredibly tough fibrous wood. Contemporaneous reports have the shot from opposing frigates bouncing off of her sides. She was built with scantlings as heavy as a Brit 3rd rater ship of line. The speed of a frigate and somewhat revolutionary armament. 32 lb short range carronades on her weather deck and long 24's on her gun deck giving her heavier long range power than a Brit frigate and in short range broadsides almost the wt of a 3rd rater. A bit like fischers dreadnought that marked the start of the modern battleship. I am sure more than anyone would care to know
John Maturo 203-494-6782 On Aug 8, 2013, at 8:46, "cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Starting a Universal (David Knecht) > 2. Re: transmission lock while sailing (Chuck S) > 3. Re: 34+ / 37+ Mast Step & rainwater collection (David Blair) > 4. Re: MAST STEP MATERIAL (Leslie Paal) > 5. Replacement batten (Indigo) > 6. Re: Replacement batten (Hoyt, Mike) > 7. Re: MAST STEP MATERIAL (Ronald B. Frerker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 22:43:13 -0400 > From: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal > Message-ID: <de2a9f76-7d62-4374-9998-3c246441b...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > To catch up on this story, I dove under the boat last weekend, and found that > the bottom was a total mess. So much for Interlux Micron Extra preventing > growth. Lots of slime and lots of barnacles, especially on the rear third of > the hull. The prop and shaft were also a mess despite the Pettit zinc spray > I put on. I am sure that the boat sitting at the mooring for several week > stretches due to travel did not help, but I was not expecting it to be that > bad. I used my Dri-Diver from a dinghy and that seemed to do a pretty good > job of taking much of the crud off the bottom. I did some scraping of the > prop and shaft but did not have the right tools for the job, so that will be > next weekend's job (drywall scraper has been recommended). After the > cleaning, the engine ran somewhat smoother and I was able to get to higher > speed . There was still some black smoke if I tried to bring the revs up, > but not as much as before. I will report back when I have the prop and shaft > clean,! > but I am hoping that will solve the problem. Dave > > On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:19 PM, David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I like the idea of a line wrap or Maxprop that is not folding correctly. >> THat will be my first target when I get in the water. Seems more likely than >> fouled bottom, but we shall see. Dave >> >> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:48 PM, "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >> wrote: >> >>> When I went to pick up a donated boat for our local Maritime Museum, I had >>> a similar situation. Engine ran OK, but no go. Backed out of the slip - >>> very slow - put in forward - about 2000 rpm, one knot! Black smoke means >>> motor is laboring. >>> >>> Moved it (slowly) over to the travel lift - they cleaned the bottom and >>> prop - no problem afterward. >>> >>> Gary >>> St. Michaels MD > > > David Knecht > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130807/8a452491/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: pastedGraphic.tiff > Type: image/tiff > Size: 6852 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130807/8a452491/attachment-0001.tiff> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 03:15:14 +0000 (UTC) > From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List transmission lock while sailing > Message-ID: > > <2136497632.1234616.1375931714433.javamail.r...@sz0179a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > When sailing you will feel the prop spinning, unless you follow Hurth and C&C > owners manual advice; to place the shifter in reverse so the trans/shaft/prop > does not free wheel. > > When ready to shut down engine; pull the engine kill knob to kill the engine, > (that shuts off the fuel rack), then switch off the key at the engine control > panel to save battery power, then place the shifter in reverse. The MaxProp > will feather. > > Reverse this sequence before restarting the engine; Place shifter in neutral, > push down the engine kill knob, turn on key switch, push starter button. No > need for glow plugs if engine is warm. > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Knecht" <davidakne...@gmail.com> > To: "CnC CnC discussion list" <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:33:43 PM > Subject: Stus-List transmission lock while sailing > > I have never paid much attention to whether I locked the transmission in > forward or reverse while sailing. I did not think it mattered. While going > through some info that came with my boat, I came across a red tag from Hurth > Marine Transmissions that says in big letters: "NEVER leave transmission in > FORWARD position as transmission damage will result." Not even a "may result" > but "will result". Have I done something bad to my transmission since I have > probably put it in forward at times by laws of probability. Dave > > > > > > > > > David Knecht > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130808/225bb808/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: pastedGraphic.tiff > Type: image/tiff > Size: 6852 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130808/225bb808/attachment-0001.tiff> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 20:25:18 -0700 > From: "David Blair" <dblair...@gmail.com> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 34+ / 37+ Mast Step & rainwater collection > Message-ID: <005e01ce93e6$e8ed9ad0$bac8d070$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > When I first owned my 34+ it was pretty much in original "untouched" > condition. The mast step had a nice drain hole leading into a clear plastic > hose toward the bilge but there was no drainage. I traced the hose to find a > nicely hand carved wooden plug at the end. The coloration of the wood made > me wonder if it had not been there since manufacture. Problem solved. > However 3" of water sounds like more rain intrusion than I would expect in a > day or two unless it was a real downpour. Cheers > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stephen > Thorne > Sent: August-07-13 6:57 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List 34+ / 37+ Mast Step & rainwater collection > > > gang, i have a question and need the collective wisdom of C&C members. i > recently took all flooring out of my 34+ for a refinish project. next day > back at boat after rain i noticed approx 3" of water sitting in the > fiberglass pan area in which the mast sits in. what has me perplexed is > that the rainwater did no appear to be draining into the bilge below? either > the drain/weep hole is clogged or there is not one?? does anyone have first > hand experience with this topic? if there is not a drain from mast pan > into bilge could I create one without risking damage to stringer? any other > ideas on how to drain water out of this area? > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 22:49:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Leslie Paal <lpaalc...@yahoo.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL > Message-ID: > <1375940974.25732.yahoomail...@web164701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > somehow the scales do not agree, or they have many tiny windows on it....?? > ;-) > > It is MUCH larger in real life, that must be a 1/16 scale model... > > > Leslie. > ;-) > > > ________________________________ > From: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL > > > > The USS Enterprise was built with titanium?. > > http://mirzmaster.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/star_trek_2009-enterprise_construction1.png? > > > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY? > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:16 PM, cenel...@aol.com wrote: > > The USS Constitution was built?with pine and oak, including?"live oak". Her > 21 inch thick wooden hull helped her defeat 5 British ships in the War of > 1812! >> ? >> ? >> The name Constitution was selected by President George Washington.[14] Her >> keel was laid down on 1 November 1794 at Edmund Hartt's shipyard in Boston, >> Massachusetts, under the supervision of Captain Samuel Nicholson and naval >> constructor Colonel George Claghorn.[15][16] Primary materials used in her >> construction consisted of pine and oak, including southern live oak, which >> was cut and milled near St. Simons, Georgia.[16] Constitution's hull was >> built 21 inches (530?mm) thick and her length between perpendiculars was >> 175?ft (53?m), with a 204?ft (62?m) length overall and a width of 43?ft?6?in >> (13.26?m).[2][4] In total, 60 acres (24?ha) of trees were needed for her >> construction. >> ? >> Presumably a mast step could be constructed with considerably less than 60 >> acres of trees! >> ? >> Charlie Nelson >> Water Phantom >> North Carolina >> ? >> ? >> cenel...@aol.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Knowles Rich <r...@sailpower.ca> >> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:51 am >> Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL >> >> >> "Live oak". Do you have to plant it in the bilge and wait? >> >> >> Rich Knowles >> Indigo. LF38 >> Halifax >> >> On 2013-08-07, at 12:36, cenel...@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> If you really want to use wood, and can find it, live oak is probably the >> best wood for strength. It was highly sought after for knees, etc. of the >> wooden sailing ships of the 1700-1800s. >> ? >> ?Live oak was widely used in early American butt shipbuilding. Because of >> the trees' short height and low-hanging branches, lumber from live oak was >> specifically used to make curved structural members of the hull, such as >> knee braces (single-piece, inverted L-shaped braces that spring inward from >> the side and support a ship's deck). In such cuts of lumber, the line of the >> grain would fall perpendicularly to lines of stress, creating structures of >> exceptional strength. Live oaks were not generally used for planking because >> the curved and often convoluted shape of the tree did not lend itself to be >> milled to planking of any length. Red oak or white oak was generally used >> for planking on vessels, as those trees tended to grow straight and tall and >> thus would yield straight trunk sections of length suitable for milling into >> plank lengths. >> Live oak was largely logged out in Europe by the latter half of the 19th >> century, and was similarly sought after and exported from the United States >> until iron- and steel-hulled commercial vessel construction became the >> standard early in the 20th century. Live oak lumber is rarely used for >> furniture due to warping and twisting while drying. >> It continues to be used occasionally when available in shipbuilding, as well >> as for tool handles for its strength, energy absorption, and density, but >> modern composites are often substituted with good effect. Dry southern live >> oak lumber has a specific gravity of 0.88, among the highest of North >> American hardwoods >> ? >> ? >> Charlie Nelson >> Water Phantom >> C&C 36 XL/kcb >> >> >> cenel...@aol.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alex Giannelia <a...@airsensing.com> >> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:15 am >> Subject: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130807/f5018e1b/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:06:12 -0400 > From: Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Replacement batten > Message-ID: <6489531c-1aa2-40f6-b826-9b6e1d55e...@thethomsons.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Any help / advice appreciated!! > > I lost the bottom lower batten last night (not full length) and am looking > for a replacement today. Not knowing much about battens, I don't know if they > come in different levels of "flex" and if so what should I be looking for? > > > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:07:54 -0300 > From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacement batten > Message-ID: > <4cdebb6b0f16c541ba8f985b72705d5416915...@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Go to your sailmaker. They should know > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > Indigo > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:06 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Replacement batten > > Any help / advice appreciated!! > > I lost the bottom lower batten last night (not full length) and am > looking for a replacement today. Not knowing much about battens, I don't > know if they come in different levels of "flex" and if so what should I > be looking for? > > > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 05:45:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Ronald B. Frerker" <rbfrer...@yahoo.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL > Message-ID: > <1375965922.21357.yahoomail...@web122903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Good one. > Ron > Wild Cheri > STL > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL > > > > > Pretty pricy. > ? > I suppose nowadays it would be built with ?Unobtainium? > ? > Bill Coleman > C&C 39 > ? > From:CnC-List > [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:25 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL > ? > The USS Enterprise was built with titanium?. > ? > http://mirzmaster.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/star_trek_2009-enterprise_construction1.png? > > > ????????? > ????????? All > the best, > ? > ????????? Edd > ? > ? > ????????? Edd > M. Schillay > ????????? Starship > Enterprise > ????????? C&C > 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > ????????? City > Island, NY? > ????????? Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log > Website > ? > On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:16 PM, cenel...@aol.com wrote: > > > The > USS Constitution was built?with pine and oak, including?"live > oak". Her 21 inch thick wooden hull helped her defeat 5 British ships in > the War of 1812! > ? > ? > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130808/92016b23/attachment.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.gif > Type: image/gif > Size: 9775 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130808/92016b23/attachment.gif> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 22 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
