Danny and Stevan - good points. I'm trying to figure out exactly
where I want to land in the end - this boat looks quite good.
Talking to a couple of brokers I've not been impressed with 2 out
of 3 (one gave me the "bit of interior refresh" remark about a
boat with 1/3 of the interior wood punky and rotten).
This does not feel like I'm "settling" - I like the way to boat
looks, like the condition, like the interior space. But I do want
it for a better price. I'm basing my value estimate on the boats
I've seen listed, plus considering the costs and savings by having
a boat that is closer to home.
And yes, I agree that he will have rose coloured glasses on as he
reviews the issues - and less likely to comment on the warts - but
some people are totally blind, others have a pretty fair
assessment - talking to him he seems to be more of the latter.
And I agree with your earlier comments about the Cal 9.2 - online
comments sound rather negative about seaworthiness and about some
structural issues.
I'm sending the seller another email - asking if he has a survey
from when he bought the boat ~3yrs ago (selling because his wife
is ill). Plus if he has any repair history/receipts on the boat or
engine.
And Chuck, I agree this should be fun. I'm not stressing over
it. I like seeing the boats and getting a handle on the state and
issues.
Rick - as per Grahams comments - we have a boat hoist mounted
permanently on the corner of our yard next to the water. It can
lift boats up to 9000lbs, then swing them over land and drop on a
cradle. The cradle and boat are then hauled off to a different
area using a "cradle trailer".
Thanks again for all the comments. This list offers great
feedback!
Mark
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Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
On 02/08/2013 9:15 AM,
djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
Mark,
I doubt the guy is being deliberately dishonest about any of
his descriptions. He probably believes everything. What I
noticed as I shopped for a boat was that most of the brokers
were more upfront about condition than the owners trying to sell
on there own.
Lets face it, we overlook things sometimes as "not so bad"
because either we would rather spend the boat bucks on something
else, or it seems like too much of a pain in the butt to deal
with right now...whatever. The point is we convince ourselves
that things are not as bad as they seem sometimes. Now, add to
the mix that you want someone to buy your boat and you have a
price that you would like to get for it. I think you are going
to be even more willing to overlook the condition of things.
After all, you first have to convince yourself that your asking
price is fair.
I must have looked 25 boats in my search over 2 years.
Almost non of the for sale by owner boats were in the condition
described. I don't think any of them, except one, were
deliberately misrepresenting
their boat. In fact, I pretty much liked all of them. I
think it was an emotional assessment that led them to either not
disclose something or overstate condition.
On the other hand, the
brokers want to move boats. They know an over priced boat is
going to sit and sit. There is nothing in it for them to over
price a boat. I had brokers tell me about blistering and soft
spots right over the phone. they didn't want to waste their
time meeting, showing, and opening up a boat if it wasn't as
described. I walked away disappointed from for sale by owner
boats way more often than brokered boats.
I got to a point that if the
description did not give the age of the sails, they needed
replaced. It seemed that, if anyone bought sails within the
previous 12, or so, years, they listed the year they were
purchased. My research made clear that sails are generally
completely bagged out by 10 years unless serviced and resewn.
Then 15 years might be your usable life. Bagged out sails
really make for unexpected reactions to the wind. If you are
looking at a reputedly tender boat, bagged out sails will
certainly make it WAY more tender. It's the shape that goes,
not the material. I ended up buying new sails for both of my
boats and I'm glad I did. New sails just handle the wind and
the gusts better.
Another thing I noticed was
that broker listed boats, where the broker actually returned
calls, were, generally, more fairly priced. I went out
hunting a few times because some of the un-returned calls were
on boats that looked great in the adds but, upon finding them
on my own, I understood the un-returned calls.
So, I just kept looking and
looking and looking until something felt right.
Anyway, those are my insights
and experiences. worth every bit of $0.02 American
or Canadian or Australian for that matter, I think!
Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Stevan Plavsa
<stevanpla...@gmail.com>
To:
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 23:36:04 -0400
Keep looking and don't settle. I got my 32 for
18k, that's right in your ballpark. I was originally looking
for 27s and 29s but I didn't find any that were reasonably
priced or even in reasonable shape. I went to look at the 32
on a whim because it was the closest boat to me, and a broker
boat no less .. something I'de been avoiding up to that point.
I had driven to NY to look at boats on the south shore of Lake
Ontario, not a complete waste of time because it helped me
compare and understand the market better.�
And you know what? The 32, literally 5 minutes from my
house, was easily in way better shape than any of the boats
I'de looked at up to that point. I was sold on it instantly.
It was more boat than I hoped for and it was in reach. Life
is short and I can be pretty impulsive so I made an offer,
had it surveyed and bought the boat. I think the PO was
happy to get the 18k and I think he was happy to deal with
me, we got along great. Some other guy was in line before me
but he was a huge hassle for the seller. I lucked out, the
PO was a great guy.
�I don't race so my requirements may be different than
yours. My boat is a freshwater boat and it surveyed well.
The sails were worn out and I just spent $1600 (shipping
in!) all told on a genoa from Rolly Tasker, it's a great
sail and an incredible value. The main is still usable and
will be for a couple of years yet. Canvas is still good,
not great, but doesn't need replacing. .... but I have
spent a lot. I've spent money refurbishing the
head/tanks/freshwater/wiring/instruments/stereo/solar and
the list goes on. A boat that has had that stuff done is
worth more, but then, if you do it yourself it's really
YOUR boat. My boat is MY boat! I EARNED it because I fixed
the shit out of it!�
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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