I've tried to stay out of this dialog, but I must interject a few observations. First, for Blue's tactician to say Camelot's driver was erratic is merely a feeble attempt to try to shift the blame. Secondly, I know Camelot's helmsman. He is a knowledgeable racer and is very aggressive . That's not erratic.
Just before the collision, Camelot came up hard in order to prevent Blue from powering over him. That was his only defense as Blue ignored his previous luff. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:04 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video (Wally Bryant) >From my view, the tactician on Blue was totally to blame, but maybe not legally (he was not 'captain'), so someone else will get sued for medical costs, which are likely to be substantial. His tactics called for going as close as he possibly could to a boat that had the rights, and the need, to come up. It looked like Blue had (a little) space to go up to the committee boat, so their barging might have paid off, but they were early, so he pushed it even further by calling bow down to the helmsman when overlapped, after which the outcome was fairly certain. I know you wouldn't want to incriminate yourself online, but the film (wide angle makes it hard to say for sure) and the protest findings don't support his 'biggest mistake was not seeing the other boat was erratic" and that they might "know enough to be dangerous". Sure, a "real racer" would have shut the door on them earlier, or told them loudly to f#% off out of there, but it was his mistake of directing the helm to a space they had no right to claim that caused it. Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:24 PM, djhaug...@juno.com <djhaug...@juno.com> wrote: Yea but, that Camelot boat was all over the place, he came from the starboard, crossed the bow then nearly hit a 3rd boat, tacked back abruptly right back into the their path, by then they were pinched by that sport fisher. It looked to me they'd have had to change course out around the sport fisher way early to have avoided Camelot, which would have meant some real foresight... but, I know, admittedly, nothing about racing... and still consider myself a new sailor... So, I may be way off base... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: OldSteveH <oldste...@sympatico.ca> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Race Video (Wally Bryant) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:54:54 -0400 This has been a really good thread, highlighting the risks of casual racing. There are some good lessons and solid reminders of the situation we're in when we do these casual races. I started racing again last year after many years away from it. That made me an experienced but rusty racer, and what's worse, racing amongst folks with a wide variation in experience and acumen. For example on one race I starboarded two boats just after the start, completely in the right, but now realizing in hindsight completely ignorant of the abilities of those skippers and whether they would respond. Although there was no problem at the time, I won't do that again. Years ago we raced against the same competitors week after week and everyone knew everyone else. The crews were generally the same from week to week, even from year to year. It produced very close and well run races. I now realize I cannot expect this beer can stuff to be the same. I have to say a couple things about the video. It does not appear the leeward boat called out in any way. Should they have called "hardening up" to the windward boat? They did not give any warning of their movements. It didn't look to me like Blue was barging, they were on a close reach. Blues crew were indeed clueless, as was the helmsperson, but the tactician also made mistakes. He appeared to see the other boat but did not do or say enough until it was too late. I think he acknowledged this in his post. No question about windward leeward rule though, Blue was in the wrong but also agree leeward boat seemed to do nothing to avoid the collision. Cheers, Steve Hood S/V Diamond Girl C&C 34 Lions Head ON ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:26:59 +0100 From: Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Race video Message-ID: <516819b3.8020...@wbryant.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yup, it's a bummer about Mike (tactician.) He owns the sail loft in La Cruz and does the morning weather on the local radio net, and is a great guy. Banderas Bay is a major winter cruiser hangout, and the crews on these races are almost always pickup crews that don't know the boat and have never sailed together. Probably not a good time to get aggressive at the start. Wal Chuck S wrote: > <snip> The whole crew looked rather distracted and inexperienced. No > one is looking for traffic. That's everyone's job. <snip> ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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