I spent 35 years just keeping Honey in bristol condition. At the end of the day, I should have bought a new boat every 5 years as it would have been less expensive... Jack Fitzgerld HONET US12788 C&C 39 TM (1974) In a message dated 1/19/2013 10:33:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, paradigmat...@gmail.com writes:
Exactly right, Colin. I have spent 6 years upgrading Shift and expect to get about $0.10 on the dollar by the time we sell. Of course, the sun will have boiled the oceans dry by then so it won't be much of an issue. On 19 January 2013 18:52, Colin Kilgour <_charliekilo552@gmail.com_ (mailto:charliekilo...@gmail.com) > wrote: >From my experience, I'd say buy the most expensive boat you can afford. You'll get way more value than buying a cheap boat and fixing it up. I bought Bojangles in 2006 and spent more on her refit than I did on the boat. And yes, I now know every inch of the boat and have developed the skills to deal with pretty much any situation. And she's been a fabulous boat for coastal cruising and offshore sailing. I also got the pleasure of using and learning about the boat for 3 years while we did the refit. So by the time we went offshore for the first time with her, I was completely confident. That said, I also know folks who bought a boat and then sailed off across an ocean days later. While they no doubt had learning curve issues that I avoided by doing a full refit and learning the ins and outs of my boat, they were out at sea with a really nice boat while others were stuck on the hard doing projects. Also, if you're buying a boat, you can take advantage of all the upgrades that a good PO has done and you probably only pay about 15 cents on the dollar for them (if that). So the more upgrades that have been done before you buy, the better. So unless you enjoy wicked discounts at Defender and are super efficient at boat work, I expect that you'll be better off buying a boat that's ready to go.... My $0.02 Cheers Colin On 1/18/13, Hoyt, Mike <_Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com_ (mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com) > wrote: > +1 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List on behalf of Chuck S > Sent: Fri 18/01/2013 22:02 > To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) > Subject: Stus-List Cheap fixer upper vs used well kept used boat > > I know a guy who was given an ODay 24. He spent 4 years working on it > before he splashed. During the time he and his wife worked on his dream, he > learned to sand, paint, wax, installed new rigging, and halyards, winches, > all new deck fittings, lifelines, new cushions, new sails. He used all two > part Interlux paints inside and out. To get him launched, I helped him > mount a new Honda 9.9 4 stroke outboard and raise his mast. He launched > that boat a much better man than the one who started the project. When he > was done he had spent 4 years of yard fees, and constant doubt about whether > he should continue, and $10K on a boat he got for free. I don't think he > had $10k when he got the boat. Don't think he could sell her for more than > $6K, but $3 is more realistic. > > Before you buy, you really have to research the value of things; the hull, > the sails and the value of your own time. Many boat owners buy too big a > boat and hardly use it. Finishing projects on a boat is very rewarding, but > not many guys have the time. Pros charge $90 to $100/hr. That was > motivation to attempt projects I knew nothing about and buy tools I'd never > own otherwise. But I couldn't justify spending more on a boat and found a > great deal, but needed some upgrades. The boat really chose me. I'll never > regret it. > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > > ________________________________ > > From: _djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com) > To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:49:03 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 LF 38 on eBay > > > I paid like 4x what I paid for the boat before I even got to splash!! > > Danny > Lolita > 1973 Viking 33 > Westport Point, MA > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Joel Aronson <_joel.aronson@gmail.com_ (mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com) > > To: Frank <_N7FN@comcast.net_ (mailto:n...@comcast.net) >, "_cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) " > <_cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) > > Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 LF 38 on eBay > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:28:25 -0500 > > > > Frank, > > I spent as much on upgrades as I did on my boat in the first 10 months! ?I > paid to have some work done that I might have been able to tackle. but it > was worth it to have everything done in time for launch. > > Joel > 35/3 > Annapolis > > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Frank <_N7FN@comcast.net_ (mailto:n...@comcast.net) > wrote: > > > I agree with Joe.? > ? > My 1979 LF38 was headed for the dumpster when I rescued it.? Good price but > every system in the boat, and some that weren't, needed > repair/fixed/replaced.? Since I am pretty fair with glass? good at diesel > engines, and a past electronics technician, I figured I could fix everything > on the boat and be ahead in the end.? After spending as much money on stuff > to fix the boat as I spent buying the boat to date (10 years) I still have > several (expensive) things to do to it.??? In fact, I am finding that I am > now refurbishing parts of the boat that I repaired 10 years ago.? I probably > have averaged 30 hours a month working on the boat over the past 10 years.? > Yes, I am retired.? > ? > I was told that I was making a mistake buying a boat that needed this much > work but of course, I knew better than all of them.? > ? > Frank Noragon > C&C LF38 S/N: 001 > Rose City Yacht Club > Portland, OR > ? > ? > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:56 AM > To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) > Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 LF 38 on eBay > ? > > IMHO a LF38 is the wrong boat for a budget refurb operation. > > The hull is cored along with the deck, the rigging is rod, and the engine > is a V-drive unit. > > A new engine, rod rigging, and sails are going to be very expensive. If the > boat has really been let go, you might have hull issues to deal with too. > > In today?s market a really nice one would likely be a better deal than a > FREE boat that needed sails, rigging, engine, and interior. > > ? > > The one I looked at last year in Annapolis for $45K had a fuel leak, deck > leaks, a moldy cabin, and the cabin windows had leaked to the point water in > the core of the cabin side had frozen over the winter and split the > fiberglass. This boat was advertised as a ?great boat? too! WTF! I figured > it was 50-80K away from being a great boat, so free might have been a better > price to start off with. Also found the broker had never been on the boat. > > ? > > Joe Della Barba > > Coquina. > > From: CnC-List [mailto:_cnc-list-bounces@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com) ] On Behalf Of jtsails > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:25 AM > To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) > Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 LF 38 on eBay > > ? > > I had much the same experience and result as Danny when I bought my boat > last year. I looked at quite a few LF38's? but don't think this was on of > them. Every one of them that I looked at had enough problems that I didn't > even consider making any offers. The boat that I did eventually buy was very > barebones but in incredibly good shape. I'm slowly adding/replacing gear to > get it equipped the way I want it to be. > > James > > Delaney 1976 38 mk11 > > Oriental, NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: _djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com) > > To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:29 AM > > Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 LF 38 on eBay > > ? > > All I know, is that when I was boat shopping.? Everyine said great things > about their boats and most of them turned out to be junk.? Especially when > trying to buy on a budget.? > > Stay away if you can't feasably visit the boat.? The only boat I had > surveyed, I bought.? ...and it still needed everything, including a new > engine.? I got it on the cheap but ended up investing up to, and maybe > beyond, market value.? Just now I know how old everything is and it was all > new. > > It took me nearly 2 years to find a boat.? However,? I had a boat so > wasn't desperate to find one and was very cautious. > > Good hunting, > Danny > > T-Mobile. America?s First Nationwide 4G Network > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Neil Ramsey" <_ndramsey@gmail.com_ (mailto:ndram...@gmail.com) > > To: <_cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) > > Subject: Stus-List 1979 LF 38 on eBay > Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:03 am > > > I'm trying to buy a LF38 at a budget price.? This ad makes lots of claims > but no real photos and no contact info. > > Makes it hard when your on the left coast. > > ? > > Neil Ramsey > > LF38 wannabe > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Rich Knowles <_rich@sailpower.ca_ (mailto:r...@sailpower.ca) > wrote: > > The arse is out of her! Kinda devalues the entire breed. > > Rich Knowles > > Indigo. LF38 > > Halifax > > > On 2013-01-17, at 0:42, "Dennis C." <_captbuy@yahoo.com_ (mailto:capt...@yahoo.com) > wrote: > > eBay item 251215004259? start bid $18,500 with a reserve. > > ? > > <_http://cgi._ (http://cgi./) ._ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Landfall38-/251215004259?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7d94c263#ht_500wt_975_ (http://ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Landfall38-/251215004259?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7d 94c263#ht_500wt_975) > > > ? > > There's a 29 and a 33 out there also. > > ? > > Dennis C. > > Touche' 35-1 #83 > > Mandeville. 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