On my 33-2 I found that while I could probably get to the quadrant by
crawling into the cockpit locker, but certainly not comfortably, I found
that the circular access hatch on the forward face of the aft bulkhead of
the cockpit provided access for one hand. Once I knew where I had to go
with it, I did it by feel. I could get an open end wrench on the adjuster
nut and a box end on the lock nut, together, and got them undone without to
many expletives. Tightening them up was about the same. I don't know if
the 35 has a similar access.
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4. Re: Adjusting wire tension in Edson steering systems
(Andrew Burton)
5. Re: Barrier Coating after Soda Blasting (kirk sneddon)
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7. Re: Barrier Coating after Soda Blasting (dwight veinot)
8. Re: Barrier Coating after Soda Blasting (Jake Brodersen)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:26:05 -0500
From: Eric Frank <efran...@mac.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Adjusting wire tension in Edson steering systems
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Inspecting and lubricating the cables below the cockpit on my Edson steering
system (radial quadrant on the rudder post located aft of the pedestal), the
cables appear to be rather loose. Where do I take up the tension in this
wire? Can it be done from the top of the pedestal with the compass removed,
or do I need to adjust the wires directly, groping around under the cockpit
from the port cockpit locker? The Edson EB381Steering Guide describes the
installation and says to adjust the tension, but doesn't appear to say how
this is done.
Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA
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Hi Eric,
Go to edson website. They have section on maintenance. Look at schematics.
There are nuts on ends of cables much like standing rigging which attach to
quadrant. It's a tight fit on my 36 from port lazarette. Really doing by
feel. Hope this helps. See you next summer in Pentwater.
Bill Walker
Pentwater, Mi
Evening Star
C n C 36
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Subject: Stus-List Adjusting wire tension in Edson steering systems
Date: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:26 pm
Inspecting and lubricating the cables below the cockpit on my Edson steering
system (radial quadrant on the rudder post located aft of the pedestal), the
cables appear to be rather loose. Where do I take up the tension in this
wire? Can it be done from the top of the pedestal with the compass removed,
or do I need to adjust the wires directly, groping around under the cockpit
from the port cockpit locker? The Edson EB381Steering Guide describes the
installation and says to adjust the tension, but doesn't appear to say how
this is done.
Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA
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From: dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adjusting wire tension in Edson steering
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Should be 2 turn buckles on the wire aft of the quadrant
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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Frank
Sent: January 11, 2013 9:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Adjusting wire tension in Edson steering systems
Inspecting and lubricating the cables below the cockpit on my Edson steering
system (radial quadrant on the rudder post located aft of the pedestal), the
cables appear to be rather loose. Where do I take up the tension in this
wire? Can it be done from the top of the pedestal with the compass removed,
or do I need to adjust the wires directly, groping around under the cockpit
from the port cockpit locker? The Edson EB381Steering Guide describes the
installation and says to adjust the tension, but doesn't appear to say how
this is done.
Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA
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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:18:17 -0500
From: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adjusting wire tension in Edson steering
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There may be two eye bolts at the quadrant, each with two nuts. Adjust them
equally if you want the wheel to remain the same, ie, if you have a mark for
when the rudder's centered. Also, read what Edson says about tension, it's
very important not to over-tension the cables.
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:13 PM, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>
wrote:
Should be 2 turn buckles on the wire aft of the quadrant
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Frank
Sent: January 11, 2013 9:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Adjusting wire tension in Edson steering systems
Inspecting and lubricating the cables below the cockpit on my Edson
steering system (radial quadrant on the rudder post located aft of the
pedestal), the cables appear to be rather loose. Where do I take up the
tension in this wire? Can it be done from the top of the pedestal with
the compass removed, or do I need to adjust the wires directly, groping
around under the cockpit from the port cockpit locker? The Edson
EB381Steering Guide describes the installation and says to adjust the
tension, but doesn't appear to say how this is done.
Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA
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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:45:48 -0500
From: kirk sneddon <kirksned...@optonline.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barrier Coating after Soda Blasting
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Did the bottom of my boat six years ago when I purchased it.
We did 2 coats of the high build primer (I think the designation is
Interprotect 3000) followed by 3 coats of the Interprotect 2000. It is a
good product line.
The key is build thickness. If you don't get enough thickness the epoxy will
not be effective as a moisture barrier. With proper build thickness, the
stuff works as advertised. I have seen other boats where people tried only 2
layers of 2000 and the results were not so good. Don't try and save on
materials.
I had gel coat crazing (too thick from factory) prior to doing the bottom.
After six years the bottom looks great. No blisters, no evidence of
propagation of the gel coat crazing under the barrier coat. I'm sure the
fish are impressed when they swim under it.
If you get a good prep on the underlying surface and follow the
manufacturer's instructions, you should be very happy with the results.
Kirk Sneddon
Flying Cloud
C&C 29 Mk II
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
Schillay
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 10:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Barrier Coating after Soda Blasting
Listers,
I'm getting the hull of the Enterprise soda blasted this year
and the plan is to do the barrier coating myself afterwards. So, a few
questions:
1. I've heard Interprotect is a good product. Anyone
have any recommendations? How many gallons for a 37+'s hull?
2. How many coats should I put on? I like the idea
of alternating gray and white.
3. What is a good way to get it all on? What is the
best painting materials? Please note: I'm not looking for the ultimate super
smooth bottom. I'd rather not spend days wetsanding this hull.
4. Any other tips or suggestions?
The Enterprise launches in 17 weeks.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
<http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:14:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard N. Bush" <bushma...@aol.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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A shout out to Ian Matthews, C&C 29; of San Francisco area, he is Race
Committee Chair and his photo is featured in the current Latitude 38, here's
the link;
http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2013-01-11
Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor
Louisville, Kentucky 40202
502-584-7255
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Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:36:15 -0400
From: dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barrier Coating after Soda Blasting
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I am not aware of any C&C boats that ever had blistering (osmosis) problems,
at least around here.maybe there are more such problems in southern
waters.so I can't justify the effort and expense of the Interprotect
system.maybe if I ever did a total bottom paid removal I would consider
going overboard and apply Interprotect then as a tie coat for new
antifouling paint
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of kirk
sneddon
Sent: January 11, 2013 10:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barrier Coating after Soda Blasting
Did the bottom of my boat six years ago when I purchased it.
We did 2 coats of the high build primer (I think the designation is
Interprotect 3000) followed by 3 coats of the Interprotect 2000. It is a
good product line.
The key is build thickness. If you don't get enough thickness the epoxy will
not be effective as a moisture barrier. With proper build thickness, the
stuff works as advertised. I have seen other boats where people tried only 2
layers of 2000 and the results were not so good. Don't try and save on
materials.
I had gel coat crazing (too thick from factory) prior to doing the bottom.
After six years the bottom looks great. No blisters, no evidence of
propagation of the gel coat crazing under the barrier coat. I'm sure the
fish are impressed when they swim under it.
If you get a good prep on the underlying surface and follow the
manufacturer's instructions, you should be very happy with the results.
Kirk Sneddon
Flying Cloud
C&C 29 Mk II
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
Schillay
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 10:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Barrier Coating after Soda Blasting
Listers,
I'm getting the hull of the Enterprise soda blasted this year
and the plan is to do the barrier coating myself afterwards. So, a few
questions:
1. I've heard Interprotect is a good product. Anyone
have any recommendations? How many gallons for a 37+'s hull?
2. How many coats should I put on? I like the idea
of alternating gray and white.
3. What is a good way to get it all on? What is the
best painting materials? Please note: I'm not looking for the ultimate super
smooth bottom. I'd rather not spend days wetsanding this hull.
4. Any other tips or suggestions?
The Enterprise launches in 17 weeks.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
<http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/> Website
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Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:27:17 -0500
From: "Jake Brodersen" <captain_j...@cox.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barrier Coating after Soda Blasting
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Edd,
I soda blasted last spring and used Interprotect 2000E. I used almost six
gallons. Alternating gray and white makes it very easy to show where you've
covered the hull for each coat. I had blisters. Lots of small ones, but
some ended up larger than expected. Several were a couple inches across.
Refilled with glass and epoxy, then faired smooth. I overcoated with VC
Offshore before the last coat of Interprotect cured. I had great adhesion
this year. No lost paint.
Jake
Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
Schillay
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 10:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Barrier Coating after Soda Blasting
Listers,
I'm getting the hull of the Enterprise soda blasted this year
and the plan is to do the barrier coating myself afterwards. So, a few
questions:
1. I've heard Interprotect is a good product. Anyone
have any recommendations? How many gallons for a 37+'s hull?
2. How many coats should I put on? I like the idea
of alternating gray and white.
3. What is a good way to get it all on? What is the
best painting materials? Please note: I'm not looking for the ultimate super
smooth bottom. I'd rather not spend days wetsanding this hull.
4. Any other tips or suggestions?
The Enterprise launches in 17 weeks.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
<http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/>
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Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:25:39 -0500
From: "Joe Della Barba" <j...@dellabarba.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List HAM radio on board
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I use insulators in my backstay and an SGC auto-tuner. So far it has matched
every frequency I have tried it on, which would be every ham and marine band
between 1.8 and 30 MHz. This definitely includes 40 meters. The only tricky
area seems to be 10 meters. I can get a better tune some days by tuning at
26 MHz and locking the tuner and then going to 10 meters. Not sure exactly
why?? I haven't tried it myself, but I have heard of people only using the
bottom insulator on the backstay and letting the tuner load the whole rig
with ground strap run the tuner to the base of the mast.
Anyway, for the low voltage issue, you can try this:
http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-4416B
You can see my TS-440 here: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/rh1.jpg and
here http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/isabelchart.jpg
Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I
N3HGB
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 6:49 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List HAM radio on board
Hi Fred
of cause, basic idea is to use only an auto-tuner ... but, if you look at
the possibilities, on 7 MHZ ( 40m band) there will be no chance for any
auto-tuner to match the aft stay (on the C&C 34 with 12.7m isolated aft stay
length, other length of cause may be possible).
To illustrate the problem i.e. 80m band (3,5-3,8 Mhz) ... aft stay
isolated, far field pattern: max. -0.7 dBi, losses in the antenna tuner app.
50%, 30? vertical angle. Aft stay connected to the whole rigging the far
field: max 3.93 dBi; losses in the antenna tuner 2%, with a vertical angle
of 60?, which means nearly an optimum for long distance connections.
Main problem for HF connections on a sailing boat is, during sailing I have
only app. 12.5V meaning something about 60W output, but 15A. Ok, I can use
an Amplifier to increase output, say to 300 W or something, no problem, but
in this case I would use app. 60A or something like that. For sailing
conditions inacceptable. Result in my point of view is, to optimize the
antenna. If I`m able to send out really with 60 W and have only 2% losses,
than everything is fine. With 100W output I had contact to stations up to
3000 sm away, on sea, with salt water enviroment 60W should doing same due
to much better ground conditions.
For the relay in the circurit, no, it`s not really a big thing. Looking to
what`s going on on this point, only 0.6V and 2A (on 80m band with 100W, the
others I have to check, but I do not expect really high voltage or current),
so a 12 V rellay with 16A should do this job easily.
best regards
Peter
Am 11.01.2013 23:19, schrieb Frederick G Street:
Peter -- on this side of the pond, it's common to use a completely-isolated
backstay for the antenna. I'd be concerned about getting RF burns if you
don't isolate at the top (using the mast and the rest of the stays/shrouds
as antennas); and depending on your transmit power, you'd need quite a large
relay to switch the mast/rigging in or out of the circuit anyway.
Are you using an antenna tuner between the radio and the antenna? Most SSB
installations I'm familiar with use an auto-tuner along with the
fully-isolated backstay.
See if this helps: http://www.yachtcom.info/backstay/index.html
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Colomba <colo...@peter-gottwald.de> wrote:
Good day
last October I made my ham radio licence. Whatever, hard stuff.
Of cause my main idea is to bring the ham radio onto Colomba (C&C34) and I`m
wondering ho to install the antenna. Perhaps someone had same idea and some
solutions.
In the moment I`m modelling the boat incl. rigging with 4nec2 and the
results are interesting ... and a little bit confusing. Up to now I made two
setups of antennas, one separate on the stern with max 8m long wire in a
glasfibre tube, app. 10? showing aft from the vertical. I`m not very pleased
to have such antenna, much to complicated for mooring etc. Also it seems
that this antenna will not work without a huge ammount of losses even if
matched by an antenna tuner.
The other possibility is to use the aft stay. It`s isolated, so in general
no problem. But, it`s funny ... isolated no chance to match it on 40m band,
80m is possible but not really good. 20,15 and 10m are working. Than I`ve
tried to use the aft stay without an isolation in the top. Result was
interesting. 80m working good, 40m perfect, 20 and 15m do not work, 10m
excellent. That the 10m is working coupled to the whole rigg is realy
surprising me. My idea is now to place a relais in the top to have a
circurit with the rigg or to isolate the aft stay. Of cause, under all
circumstances I have to match the antenna with an automatic tuner, but I
want to reduce losses in the tuner as much as possible.
Perhaps someone has his/her own experience and can give me some advices. If
someone is interesting in the nec file, please give me a note.
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