It would seem I am not getting access to the lists anymore and as my girlfriend Hally is not using this one -she is sending my message along through here.
Whether you like what you are now reading or not matters little - your preference will not alter the truth therein. Just a few things that I think you folks should be aware of. I tried, many times, to let you know what to look for and where to look but I would bet that no one went through the bylaws and the societies act (downloadable from the provincial government). I didn't expect you to take my word for things despite the amount of direct experience I have had in these matters. I encouraged you to check what I was trying to get across gently to you by looking it up for yourselves. 'Almost' all of the questions I have been asking have not been because I am nosey. They were a direct attempt to determine exactly where things stood for you folks.... to see what sort of challenges lay ahead and to determine whether or not it was already too late to save the guild (group). The most recent set of questions were, (1) what the guilds anniversay month was (2) when was the last annual report sent off to the Gov and (3) what is the registration or business address. Concise and comprehensive answers to these questions would have let me know EXACTLY what lay ahead .... but don't take my word, check it out. I couldn't get answers to any of them .... just like most of the rest of the relevant queries I have made. I will tell you this (and again, don't take my word for it, check it out). First, it doesn't matter one iotta how many T2 memberships are registered today, none of you will be able to vote legally on Thursday evening. Bylaws say you only have TWO chances to vote. One is a Special General Meeting that must be called by the prez and requires 30 days advanced notice. The second one is at the AGM that is coming up in May (even that one is now debatable as the prez has not 'called' or informed of the meeting officially). Also, the AGM has a time limit to it that is set forth in the bylaws and is dependant upon dates involved with certain information that I was not able to get. It may be too late to legally hold the AGM - I have no idea but the possibility exists. The only ones that can vote before those times are the executive board and they have to call a special meeting and it needs seven days advanced notice. Anything they vote on must receive three votes to be 'carried' and if you look into things carefully, according to the rules, there are 'technically' only three valid executive members left (and only this because the meeting has not yet taken place where two of the remaining ones have publicly stated they are resigning at). I am certain that actual statements from the executive members and a careful investigation of the minutes from previous meetings will confirm this. You have had no 'legal' vice president for awhile now. The hard truth here folks is that the executives have been the only ones that could 'effectively' vote for some time. Even if the executive does vote in this fashion, a 'follow up' process must take place to ratify the vote taken. That process cannot take place if they resign at the next meeting as they have s tated. Mr. Crosby saying he will resign is not really relevant - bylaws say he was not in the executive anymore as of awhile ago unless unaltered meeting minutes allow for his extended absence. Despite how inconvenient it may seem, the reality of altering the bylaws goes like this.....again, don't take my word for it, check it out. NO BYLAWS MAY BE ALTERED, CHANGED OR AMENDED without first (a)submitting proposed changes to the appropriate authority (provincial government registrar) for approval .... (b) upon receipt of said approval, paying the costs to publish the changes in the required publication. Depending upon the variables involved, last word I had was that this process could take between one and five weeks. The 'new' bylaws could not be 'used' until all of the above took place. For some time there has been two executive positions definately resigning and a third was added later. Despite the public acceptance of this by the collective, not one of you stepped forward to fill any of the impending vacancies or offer to. It doesn't matter if you can vote or not if there is no one to vote for (or nominate). This simple piece of truth didn't seem to make any difference to you folks collectively. Astounding! Well, I do not like surprises and have been able to get almost no information that was pertinent to the situation at hand. As no one else has stepped forward either, here is the deal. When this crashes, and it looks to be at that point, I do not intend to be part of it so that someone can get mad and try to place blame on me for any part of it. As Mel said - and its true - one person cannot do it all. If you folks had really wanted the group bad enough, you would have stepped forward long ago and done what was needed to save it when it could have been done easily. This is not about the fact that the times say there are not enough to do this as it was being done in the past. I know that the membership could have been brought BACK up to 80 or 100 easily .... if folks had really been willing to step up to the plate. All of the tools were there and Linux use is increasing and folks are getting cheesed off at Windows .... the ideal environment! You can get angry and say whatever ba d things about me that you wish .... I was still the only one that stepped forward. One more thing ... I would not presume to say that you folks have zero options ..... however, any options you may have will need to be found by you collectively and it is my hope that they be legal ones. Adios Ron Edwards _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list clug-talk@clug.ca http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
