Limitations in these services do not seem to lend themselves to getting
behind much. But the bigger question hinges on trust. 

If we do not trust some of these services, can we do something to solve
the problem from our side? 
We will not change how these services do business aside from deciding
not use them.

Mel

On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 00:48 -0700, TekBudda wrote:
> Sorry...I may have duplicated what Gustin sent.  For some reason his



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