Hi Royce, It is great to have programs and OS that just work, but it's also awesome to meet people who "just get it".
Ah, this throws me back to when you could buy programs for $40.00 only to find out most did not work well (wast of money) so I started using only those who let you try their full version programs before you buy (ie from BBS). When they did work I was pulling out my check book real fast. Had happy stories about that, but maybe some other time. Better programs for only $20 - $25 by the way. Well my mind started racing and I just knew I could come up with a totally different licence that would fit what I would have wanted as a paying customer. I never made time to perfect it but started seeing others edge toward what I had wanted. Still a little later I found my self in Courtenay for a short time and the topic was brought up at Comox Valley Linux User Group. I encouraged the members to go ahead and dare to dream up their own licence that they liked. But I moved away and never found out if they did or not. Wonder if the colour coded Licences started there? Can't find them now. Doubtful?? I was going to call mine faithware[1], because you were going to have to have lots of faith you would Ever get paid. *My premise was that the user had to have full access to the program (now I think it should be all 0_to_3 (4) freedom rights), *and they also had to have full control over how much THEY thought it was worth to THEM. (or "could afford") Any other system I was sure would restrict the user. The poor could not afford to pay what it was worth to them, and the rich would miss out on what they may want to pay (much I hope:) So the user deciding would solve it. Well much later too, Richard Stallman[2] told of an unknown Canadian sound artist who told him she made $100, 000.00 in three or four months by using a similar method off of her web site. So copying makes money for the artist, and copyright makes money mostly for the recording companies. Stallman said the record co make the artist pay for all start-up costs upfront before they get a dime. My theory has long been that it could sometimes work for software and other stuff too. If your stuff is cool enough? I asked Richard a question[3] and later at the wine and cheese upstairs, but he was not interested in my unproven idea as a licence, maybe he only saw it as a way some people[4] occasionally experimented in marketing that oddly, occasionally succeeded? Or could attribute it to his lack of interest in business sense (Ouch). If you probe deeper and deeper[5] I think Jane Siberry could be more revolutionary and some of the others just playing around with marketing tricks. You be the judge. [1] someone reserved the name(URL) to sell porcelain statues and jewelry. So I never came up with a good name yet. [2] Richard Stallman Lecture at UofCalgary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNBMdDaYhZA Jane Siberry (Issa) 1:02:00 [3] (CC) about creative commons 1:14:29 [4] RadioHead, Nine Inch Nails, Issa 1:01:05 [5] Nine Inch Nails slam Radiohead's 'bait and switch' (old 2008 link) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/12/nine_inch_nails/ do you own research I guess http://www.janesiberry.com/ Jane gives her mp3's or AIFF and pdf's away and lets you pay $ and even buy cd's if you want. Mel (see questions below:) On Sun, 2011-03-27 at 10:15 -0600, Royce Souther wrote: > Good points Mel. About eight years ago I gave a presentaion to a > packed room of 200+ at the University of Lethbridge. My topic was GNU > Is The Future Of Technology. Some people did not get it and thought I > must have meant computer/software technology but even back as far the > late 90's it was obvious to me and many others that the concept of GNU > would go far beyond the software developer. In the last 10 years we > have seen GNU licensing expand to the hardware level of computers, it > has reached into books and other educational materials and began > expanding in to other fields of science including medicines. > > About my 3D desktop. I have it turned of most of the time. A lot of > programs just do not work well on a 3D desktop. I don't know what the > inner workings of Xorg are for this because /etc/X11/xorg.conf is just > an empty shell file now that Xorg sets all the configuration on the > fly. I know that it uses xrandr and that is not compatible with > xinerama but I don't know anything about TwinView. My desktop is one > solid large desktop accross both monitors. I am using two Nvidia Do you use nvidia or nouveau-3D? So you have similar hardware to what I have, but what does set Xorg on the fly? A script or method... what? I am finding nvidia-settings only sets up /etc/X11/xorg.conf wrong for me! Whats your answer? nouveau-3D is cool now, but I fear it will struggle with what I throw at it. It is much more friendly to the user. Mel > cards, each have dual head output that I did use when I had four > monitors connected but now I am only using one output from each card. > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Mel Walters <melwalt...@telus.net> > wrote: > Interesting, I never planned to go to a 3D desktop, I know I > would find > it annoying minutes after the first try. But I do want 3D > available > anywhere on my screens when I want to put it to use. > > In trying to economize some, I went with two 23" screens > instead. The > wide screens are so prolific now. > > Are you running Xinerama or TwinView now? > > > Passions: > I consider a computer to be a tool that is both useful and fun > to play > around with. > I have improved control response to process upsets by 300%, > using > simulation of steam/water shrink/swell dynamics of a thirteen > story high > chemical boiler by using a lowly personal computer. > The operators were pleasantly surprised to see control just > get better > when I activated my new tuning parameters. Most times > operators were > used to emergency take over from the software engineers tuning > trials. > Drum level going too high would take out the steam turbine > blades, and > too low can blow out superheated steam tubes. > By the way, did I ever mention? I never lost my guaranteed > 99.99 % > up-time bonus in my over 15 years with that company? > > My intro to PC's and MS was negative and a turn off with > statements like > blue screens are normal. Coming from a world of well > engineered Real > Time Control Systems running on Minicomputers, I did not > believe that. > Linux and GNU software came to the rescue for me with personal > computers. > > I used a European PC Sim to accelerate my training and pass my > flight > tests last fall. (in 50 ft wing span glider) > > I love Linux for the same reasons you stated, it gives me the > tools and > encourages me to use them. And I do agree with so much of what > you have > to say below, but I would like to add some more if I may. > I need to be able to dive deep enough into a subject to be > able to be > proficient and useful. I work well alone too, it gives me > space to get > creative. > > But the factor to NOT leave out!-----> > > There are many intelligent people out there in our world that > are being > forced down to the lowest common denominator. > Our hope very much lies in younger people. I have had > discussions and > after pointing out what excites my passions, they too get > excited about > possibilities as it relates to them. These people have the > possibility > to solve the world problems they have inherited. We need these > people. > These trend setters. They see problems as opportunities, like > you and I > do. But some of them maybe not yet. > They have possibly been told otherwise. We need to some how > encourage > them! > This does not have to be limited solely to Linux, but should > start with > GNU/Linux. > If 3 - 5 percent of the young are creative problem solvers, > that is a > lot of people. Wake them up to the possibilities. The other 95 > percent > know how to work in groups and get things done. > > Mel > (CLUG Pres) > > > > On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 09:09 -0600, Royce Souther wrote: > > I tried to avoid xrandr for many years even stuck with an > older distro > > because everything new was switching to xrandr. The problem > is that > > xrandr has a size limitation that would not let me use my > four 19inch > > monitors all as one desktop, only xinerama could do that > because my > > desktop was 5120x1024. In the end I just gave up and traded > my four > > 19inch monitors for two 24inch ones. Now I have 3D desktop > with > > rotating cube on an okay desktop size of 3840x1200. It is > cool but I > > don't think I like it much, most of the time I turn 3D > desktop off. It > > tends to mess up many productivity applications. > > > > What are your passions in GNU/Linux? > > > > I have never been passionate about the new toys that come > with the > > latest distro of Linux. I am more of a person that is > passionate about > > something new I can learn. At last count I could program in > 20 > > different languages on six different operating systems > (counting all > > versions of Linux as just one). I write code, I design > circuit boards, > > I develop embedded systems, I build telephone servers, web > servers and > > databases. All of these things I do because Linux distro's > give me the > > tools and encourage me to use them. > > > > Some things I never do, I never ever clean viruses out of > computers, > > tell people to reboot Windows or spend sleepless nights > awake and > > panicking because the Microsoft servers are going to die any > day now > > and there is nothing I can do about it. That is the sate I > was in back > > in 1998, I was on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I had > panic > > attacks that caused my whole body to shake violently, so bad > that I > > had to go to the hospital emergency room. In a Microsoft > world I was a > > worthless consumer who's only purpose for existence was to > continue to > > pay for all eternity for broken promises. I was so powerless > in a > > Microsoft world that I considered getting out of the > computer > > business, maybe I would have gone to work in construction, > anyplace > > that did not have something to do with computers. I could > just be one > > of the other mindless zombies that when Windows crashes I > take a > > coffee break and wait for the stressed out computer repair > guy to fix > > it. Feckless and ignorant to the decay of a failed society > where > > stupidity is the most valued asset of your customers. > > > > When I think about it I can truly say that Linux saved my > life. With > > Linux I know that nothing is beyond my abilities, everything > has a > > solution and the system is designed to help me find it. > > > > What am I passionate about? The freedom, freedom to live, > freedom to > > learn and the freedom to make my own choices as to what is > best for > > me. > > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Gustin Johnson > <gus...@meganerd.ca> > > wrote: > > You should be using xrandr to manage your screens by > now > > anyway. > > Unless you are running an ancient version of Ubuntu > or Debian > > (your > > use of aptitude indicates a Debian or derivative). > Chances > > are xrandr > > is already installed as is some sort of GUI front > end. > > > > I used to be pretty good at the nVidia stuff, but > their > > proprietary > > modules did not play nice in a real time kernel, > pretty much a > > deal > > breaker for me. At the very least I need very low > latency and > > nVidia > > was simply not stable. I use a different graphics > card or the > > 2d only > > driver, and my problems go away. > > > > Anyway, look into xrandr magic command line > incantations, > > whenever I > > am stuck this is where I go to (really nice to ssh > in to a box > > and > > resize/change display options on the fly). > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Mel Walters > > <melwalt...@telus.net> wrote: > > > I have had very much the same experience lately, > most > > everything just > > > works. I wanted to get 3D acceleration installed > plus dual > > monitor setup > > > with two video cards [GeForce 8800 GT]. There were > many > > choices to make, > > > but I choose: > > > > > > aptitude -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms > nvidia-settings > > > > > > so aptitude could look after it in an ongoing > basis (no > > manual nvidia > > > driver update installs) > > > Configuration mostly OK, But..... > > > > > > The GUI nvidia-settings would not behave for me > though. When > > I run it, > > > it wants to change things to the way I do not > want. > > > > > > If I was a guru or had the time, I could figure > out how to > > make a script > > > to make my two nvidia cards and two monitors set > up just the > > way I want > > > them. But default does not seem to include two > monitors, 3D, > > objects > > > movable between screens. > > > > > > I did an Xinerama screen of 3940x1080 composed of > > > two 3D accelerated 1920x1080 TwinView screens, but > I think > > it should be > > > setup better still. > > > > > > Does this boil down to lack of support from Nvidia > for their > > program > > > nvidia-settings? > > > > > > Any NVidia/Linux experts in the group who are into > Twin > > View? > > > > > > Mel > > > > > > On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 12:42 -0600, Dafydd Crosby > wrote: > > >> I tried it out of frustration after dealing with > Windows > > 98 :-P > > >> > > >> A lot of Linux just works for me, the only > problems I have > > these days > > >> are generally problems of configuration. The > whole codec > > matter is a > > >> headache, but things like FLAC have given me > hope. > > >> > > >> -Dafydd > > >> > > >> On 03/17/2011 12:27 PM, Mel Walters wrote: > > >> > I started with Yggdrasil Computing in 1995. It > included > > the stable > > >> > Linux 1.2.13 kernel. Exploring new > distribution's as they > > came along, > > >> > I was looking for a best fit. > > >> > > > >> > A friend of mine showed me his Debian system > and I was > > impressed how > > >> > easily he maintained it. That was the point I > ended up > > gravitating > > >> > towards Debian, and Debian derivatives. > > >> > > > >> > For me, Linux and the programs it come with > (GNU) have to > > be complex > > >> > enough to be interesting and simple enough to > use. Good > > design should > > >> > reduce the difficulty of the complex. > > >> > > > >> > Why did you try it out? > > >> > What works for you? What can you see as a > hindrance? > > >> > > > >> > Mel _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list clug-talk@clug.ca http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
