So if they turn off ALL ports, and hey, why not even connection to the Internet, 
wouldn't they save even MORE bandwidth?  The more bandwidth you can save, the more 
money you can save.....

Sorry Pual, I don't mean to be a jerk here, but if they are going to offer the 
bandwidth, then they need to allow reasonable use of it.  I agree that hosting a 
server with a Telus home account is outside the acceptable use policies, but to 
blindly turn off port 25?  So, let's say I configure my laptop to send and receive 
mail from my corporate mail server, and travel a lot.  The way they have handled this 
is that I cannot forward my mail to my SMTP server without going through their SMTP 
server.  Oh, btw, that only works if you're on the Telus network - if you're in a 
hotel room halfway around the world, the SMTP traffic would be rejected because they 
don't relay mail.  They need to take another look at how and why the servers are setup 
the way they are - someone forgot to turn on SMTP authentication, which would have 
allieviated a HUGE amount of the problems they are seeing.  They also could have 
offered an alterative plan for those who know what they are doing, without having to 
switch to a business level connection.

On the other hand, I was on a Telus network up to the end of June.  We changed to Shaw 
only because we moved into a new house and haven't bothered having a land line brought 
in.  Up to the move, my email server was working perfectly fine receiving and sending 
mail, and allowing remote connections.  I believe the port blocking started in 
November - so did they just miss my neighborhood?  Was my traffic low volume enough 
that they weren't concerned?  How is it that I didn't see any problems, yet so many 
others did?  (just curious)

The bottom line is that if you are looking to run a server, YOU have to check that 
your ISP will allow it.  If it is only written policy that you "shouldn't" run a 
server on their networks, but you decide to anyways (I did), then you have a 
responsibility to monitor your bandwidth and prevent abuse (IMHO).

My thoughts...

Shawn

(ps.  I once had a telus tech tell me that he didn't want to hear if I was running a 
web server, but mentioned that there would be no bandwidth cap or shut down of SSH 
traffic.  Is there anyway to set up public SMTP over SSH? <grins>)


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Paul Greidanus
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 10:54 AM
To: CLUG General
Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Don't use Telus they block your ports

They're weighing the good of the many vs the needs of the few.  A 
little misguided in their approach, but if they can save, 5% on 
bandwidth by turning off those ports, that turns into a huge savings in 
bandwidth as well..


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