Hi Joe

Thanks for moving this up onto a top level.

I'm responding to your comments a bit  late - not being ignorant, but because 
for some odd reason - not all messages from dev list get into my inbox. 
Probably just my luck. I only noticed this one due to a change you made to wiki.

I propose we meet either right after Wednesday meeting or the next day Thursday 
(or any other workday preferred 12pm EST). I don't know how timing works for 
folks overseas, I'm open to any suggestion.

Prior to the meeting we should probably have draft (I could make one if needed) 
of what we can discuss, and obviously add more during the meeting as we go 
along or make it adhoc - whatever works.

Thanks
Ilya



Joe Brockmeier <j...@zonker.net> wrote:
Hey all,

A couple of things on this:

- I've moved up the marketing page in the wiki so it's now a top-level
page:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Marketing

It'd be good to capture things that are works-in-progress there so
anyone can easily find them.

The cloudstack-marketing list is now live. To subscribe send an email
to:

cloudstack-marketing-subscr...@incubator.apache.org

I will also send an email to -dev and -users for folks who might not be
following this thread.

More in-line:

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 04:47 PM, Musayev, Ilya wrote:
> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major
> flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing
> we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but
> barely used.

CloudStack isn't like BSD, though: It is used in production quite a bit,
though folks don't speak about it as much as we'ld like.

> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm
> not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go
> for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the
> approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the
> buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way
> - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and
> maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do
> better.

Let's focus on promoting CloudStack rather than worrying about how much
love other projects get.

> b.      Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what
> can be done better

Sure - when do you propose?

> f.        Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use
> existing means and other social media

We have these, but we need to get a social media policy in place.

> g.       Blog with SEO in mind

Do we have specific ideas here?

> 3)      Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I
> can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at
> the moment

This isn't a bad idea, but it's a bit beyond "marketing" and might be
biting off quite a bit at first start.

> b.      Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki  - any
> documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than
> none

Sort of - this also gets into documentation, which we could also improve
- but I'd like to see us take a more organized approach to documentation
than "just copy and paste from mailing list". Unsorted information isn't
much more useful than information scattered on the mailing list.

> 4)      Host local user group meetups

Yes, definitely.

One of the reasons I started the creation of the marketing list is that
I am working on getting some "meetup in a box" stuff together and didn't
want to flood the -dev list with that project.

> o   Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills
> and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't
> have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>
> o   Set the time for regular IRC meeting

Did you have any ideas on this? We already do the weekly meeting at
17:00 UTC on Wednesdays. Not sure if it makes sense to schedule a
marketing meeting close to that or not.

Best,

jzb
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