The previous setting won't respect CC after the CCed guy replied mail. I don't think that's useful.
I truly believe it's developer's responsible to keep track of their own topic, but I also think make it easier for developer to keep track is better. --Sheng On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Alex Huang <alex.hu...@citrix.com> wrote: > So let me ask the question then. Right now there's 3 people who believes the > agreement was cc if you know the recipient you want and it was not to change > the reply to address. One person believes it was to change the reply-to > address. Anyone else who thought that was the agreement? > > Only CC: Animesh, Alex, Brett > Change reply-to: Sheng > > --Alex > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Animesh Chaturvedi >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 11:52 AM >> To: Alex Huang; cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] cloudstack-dev mailing list has stripped "Reply-to" >> header >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Alex Huang [mailto:alex.hu...@citrix.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:13 PM >> > To: Sheng Yang; Brett Porter >> > Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org >> > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] cloudstack-dev mailing list has stripped "Reply- >> to" >> > header >> > >> > The current behavior is not the one I've signed up for. Maybe I >> misunderstood >> > what was being said myself. I agree with Brett. I thought the idea was >> people >> > can cc people directly if they know who they want to get the attention of >> but >> > the mailing list is still the reply-to address. You are still responsible >> > for the >> > topics and tags you're interested in. >> > This convention would have made it easier to filter tags and for any mail >> that >> > cced you to a folder. The recipient should still scan mail subjects >> > without >> tags >> > occasionally but they don't have to worry about missing emails because >> they >> > know full well that if something needs your attention the sender would >> have >> > cced you. >> > >> > As the way this is implemented, if you and brett replied to an email >> separately >> > and I replied to your email, Brett is not included anyways so again it >> > loses >> any >> > type of advantage you think this implementation gains. >> > >> > --Alex >> [Animesh>] I was also under the impression that there is no change to >> default reply to mailing list and we are just agreeing to cc >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sh...@yasker.org] >> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:06 PM >> > > To: Brett Porter >> > > Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org >> > > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] cloudstack-dev mailing list has stripped "Reply- >> to" >> > > header >> > > >> > > Hi Brett, >> > > >> > > The "reply-to" header is exactly what bothering us. It make us go >> > > through every thread to check if it's the one we've involved or not. >> > > >> > > And, people would able to update their mail client filter to the get >> > > the result they want when we're using current policy, but they can't >> > > get the mail they involved when we enforce "reploy-to" policy. >> > > >> > > I know it's an enforcement for new member reply in the public, but I >> > > believe it's better(and not that hard) to be spontaneously. >> > > >> > > --Sheng >> > > >> > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote: >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > I hate jumping in after the fact, but I wanted to check if that was >> > > > the result >> > > everyone was expecting? What I understood from the previous thread >> was >> > > that the community would build up a convention of CCing people to get >> > > their attention, not that the default reply-to would be changed. >> > > > >> > > > I'm confused by the claim that the list stripped To/CC, as I can see >> > > > examples >> > > where they were retained when used [1] [2]. When I reply-to-all on >> > > those messages, they are also retained as CCs. Is that not what you were >> > seeing? >> > > > >> > > > The thing that wasn't retained was a CC of the sender if you >> > > > reply-to-all, >> > > but a better alternative to that would be for people wishing to have >> > > that behaviour to CC themselves on mails they send to the list. I know >> > > at least one person said they didn't want to be CC'd on list mails, >> > > and they could then choose whether or not that happens. >> > > > >> > > > The reason reply-to the list is the default is so that the default >> > > > mode of >> > > operation is communicating with the entire community publicly. It is >> > > probably most helpful to newer members of the list that aren't yet >> > > familiar with the conventions. This change will particularly trip up >> > > those that are new to the list, but familiar with other ASF lists >> > > where reply-to is predominantly set. If you intend to continue with >> > > the change, you may want to consider adding a message trailer that >> > > reminds readers of the difference, and points them to the mailing list >> > guidelines. >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > Brett >> > > > >> > > > [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-cloudstack- >> > > >> dev/201302.mbox/raw/%3CCA+96GG4YVnrYBjMy4yRQwtpqZLKLYeb39n1kq >> > > wcf06yswx_...@mail.gmail.com%3E >> > > > [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-cloudstack- >> > > dev/201302.mbox/raw/%3C20130205083909.GC5795@cloud-2.local%3E >> > > > >> > > > On 06/02/2013, at 8:44 AM, Sheng Yang <sh...@yasker.org> wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Hi all, >> > > >> >> > > >> Based on the discussion in >> > > >> >> > > >> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.cloudstack.devel/9216 , >> > > >> I've requested Infra team to disable the list from adding a >> > > >> reply-to header pointing to the list, which means, from now on, >> > > >> every thread you participated, would keep you in the thread, by >> > > >> sending mail to you directly(when others are "replying all"). >> > > >> >> > > >> So there is one new rule need to be emphasized: Do remember to >> > > >> reply >> > > all. >> > > >> >> > > >> I've updated the mailing list guide line to include: >> > > >> >> > > >> <quote> >> > > >> Always use "Reply to All", to keep everyone and mailing list in the >> > > >> thread. Don't be afraid to make a correction if you used "Reply" to >> > > >> single people involved by mistake. >> > > >> </quote> >> > > >> >> > > >> I hope this movement would make the communication more effective. >> > > >> >> > > >> PS: you may want to update your mailing list filter, and set your >> > > >> mail client's to "Reply All" by default. >> > > >> >> > > >> --Sheng >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Brett Porter >> > > > br...@apache.org >> > > > http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ >> > > > http://au.linkedin.com/in/brettporter >> > > > http://twitter.com/brettporter >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
