Members present: noa, topcloud, jlkinsel, chipc, bhaisaab ---------------- Meeting summary: ----------------
1. Preface 2. weekly meeting 3. widodh 4. u-ichi 5. topcloud 6. serverchief 7. noa a. noa, Hugo, widodh et al discussed about packaging during Build a Cloud day in Ghent, Belgium last week, good progress (bhaisaab, 7) b. packaging team to work on minimal viable packaging, large scale cleanup can be done later (bhaisaab, 7) 8. phongn88 9. jlkinsel 10. iswc 11. bhaisaab 12. Noah 13. ke4qqq IRC log follows: # 1. Preface # 16:57:38 [topcloud]: citrix ppl are mostly at an allhands so not many people will be here. # 2. weekly meeting # 16:58:08 [bhaisaab]: alright, so we'll start from widodh and admins of the channel at last 16:58:37 [bhaisaab]: widodh: awesome work on packaging, hugo, noa and everyone... anything to update, report, discuss? # 3. widodh # 16:59:52 [bhaisaab]: looks like he's not here, moving on to u-ichi, anything to discuss or report? # 4. u-ichi # 17:01:37 [bhaisaab]: alright we'll circle back if people return later, moving to topcloud, anything to discuss, report, status of architecture, cloud-engine, tests # 5. topcloud # 17:02:22 [noa]: *back* 17:02:30 [bhaisaab]: hey noa! 17:02:55 [topcloud]: nothing i have. 17:03:07 [bhaisaab]: topcloud: great thanks 17:03:14 [bhaisaab]: moving to serverchief # 6. serverchief # 17:03:31 [bhaisaab]: serverchief: anything to discuss, report, question? 17:05:00 [bhaisaab]: looks like serverchief is away, moving on, noa you're next, anything to discuss, share, report? # 7. noa # 17:05:17 [noa]: sure, so we had a Build a Cloud day in Ghent, Belgium last week 17:05:29 [bhaisaab]: awesome, pics? 17:05:37 [noa]: it was interesting, there has been some discussion about what we concluded on the list 17:06:01 [bhaisaab]: noa: your slides were awesome 17:06:07 [noa]: bhaisaab: thanks :) 17:06:24 [noa]: so we sat down and talked some about packaging 17:06:45 [bhaisaab]: noa: so would like to update on current status of packaging, artifact wise how many are left or overall status? 17:07:17 [noa]: and we have a plan to execute on, which is basically to do the renaming now, fix .deb packaging on the github branch 17:07:45 [noa]: when that is in a usable shape (should not be much left now) we will look at the diff and split into logical reviewable parts and submit via the code review tool 17:07:47 [bhaisaab]: #info noa, Hugo, widodh et al discussed about packaging during Build a Cloud day in Ghent, Belgium last week, good progress 17:08:08 [bhaisaab]: great 17:08:27 [noa]: I think we have also decided to cut the config file moves that is in that branch, which will make the diff much smaller 17:08:50 [topcloud]: noa: I haven't been following that thread. Do you anything from the javein merge in terms of packaging? 17:08:50 [noa]: as usual there are a lot of things going on, but I got some fixes in last night and intend to continue for a bit today 17:09:06 [bhaisaab]: and what about scripts? will all distros share same scripts? 17:09:29 [noa]: topcloud: we merged back master into our branch and it seems that from a build standpoint there are just a bunch of additional dependencies 17:09:42 [bhaisaab]: +1 17:09:57 [noa]: bhaisaab: which script do you refer to? getting rid of the cloud-setup-* scripts seems like a 4.2 thing 17:10:12 [topcloud]: noa: javelin introduced a bunch more jar files at least. 17:10:36 [topcloud]: i think the initial packaging proposal should cover them though 17:10:42 [noa]: topcloud: exactly. I'm a little bothered that our packages are kind of large, but that's hard to get around 17:10:57 [topcloud]: hard or not hard? 17:11:19 [noa]: Another thing I'd like to mention is that I had a look at the review request for the HyperV stuff, and found the code to be in kind of bad shape 17:11:27 [bhaisaab]: noa: yes, those, but scripts like starting mgmt server etc. 17:11:59 [noa]: bhaisaab: well, I don't know. I plan to spin up some VMs running centos to have a look at the rpm stuff shortly 17:12:58 [noa]: in general I aim for getting the minimal changes in to get .deb packaging to work at least as well as 4.0 17:13:05 [bhaisaab]: noa: alright 17:13:15 [noa]: large scale cleanup will be a later thing 17:13:29 [bhaisaab]: yes, let's get some packaging 17:14:15 [bhaisaab]: #info packaging team to work on minimal viable packaging, large scale cleanup can be done later 17:14:30 [noa]: so, wrt HyperV, my question is really this: what kind of standards do we hold the submissions to? 17:15:07 [noa]: I understand that might be a difficult question to answer, but I think it needs to be brought up at some point 17:15:25 [bhaisaab]: noa: it has tests and/or is QA'd and works for basic vm life cycles (start, stop, delete, reboot, expunge) and storage (volume add, snapshots) 17:15:55 [bhaisaab]: anything but at least works as advertised by its author 17:16:34 [noa]: I'm more thinking about how abstractions and method documentation is added, somewhat random (it seems, at least not documented) changes to properties files. Coding style issues 17:17:12 [topcloud]: noa: My understanding is that the hyperv implementation is currently a demo status. 17:17:27 [topcloud]: it's not production. actually more proof of concept stage. 17:17:44 [topcloud]: so even below demo status. 17:17:57 [bhaisaab]: +1 yes, poc. I think donal suggests poc work as well (during ccp12 and on ml) 17:18:05 [noa]: okay. Well, I don't have any hyperv machines so it's kind of hard to contribute anything of substance, but it seems fragile at best 17:18:28 [noa]: oh well. Rant done, I have nothing more :) 17:18:28 [chipc]: perhaps we need to propose that it (after other issues are sorted out) comes into a feature branch only 17:18:35 [chipc]: ACTION has to leave now, sorry 17:18:49 [topcloud]: noa: but how would we package that? 17:19:20 [noa]: topcloud: good question, I have no idea 17:19:20 [topcloud]: noa: or is it something we don't need to package since it's for windows environment? 17:19:20 [noa]: at the moment 17:19:42 [topcloud]: i'll bring it up with Donal 17:20:05 [bhaisaab]: bye chipc! 17:20:30 [bhaisaab]: alright, let's move this discussion on ML? 17:20:31 [noa]: +1 17:20:32 [topcloud]: ok 17:20:38 [bhaisaab]: great, should we move on? 17:20:45 [noa]: please do 17:20:52 [bhaisaab]: thanks noa and topcloud 17:21:07 [bhaisaab]: moving on to phongn88 # 8. phongn88 # 17:21:30 [bhaisaab]: phongn88: anything to discuss or report? 17:22:15 [bhaisaab]: alright, jlkinsel you're next, anything to discuss or report? # 9. jlkinsel # 17:22:24 [jlkinsel]: nothing to add 17:22:37 [bhaisaab]: thanks jlkinsel 17:22:45 [bhaisaab]: iswc: you're next # 10. iswc # 17:23:43 [bhaisaab]: ACTION wonders if Humbedooh is in meeting on hiding :) 17:24:21 [bhaisaab]: alright, let's move on, skipping Humbedooh, cloudbot, I'm next # 11. bhaisaab # 17:24:58 [bhaisaab]: Got back from bay area, wasted a lot of time on taxes, finally on track... cloudmonkey's sync and other major features are fixed 17:25:27 [bhaisaab]: I've appliance building tool in tools/appliance, the aim to have usrs build their own systemvm templates 17:25:36 [bhaisaab]: this is based on how devcloud is built using veewee and vagrant 17:26:20 [bhaisaab]: next, I'll discuss thing with topcloud and community on working on remaining pieces of architectural change, jobs framework, cloud-engine maybe 17:26:37 [bhaisaab]: I'm done, any questions to discuss? 17:26:51 [bhaisaab]: moving on, Noah you're next # 12. Noah # 17:27:51 [bhaisaab]: looks like Noah is away, skipping chipc he left already, ke4qqq you're next # 13. ke4qqq # 17:28:04 [bhaisaab]: ke4qqq: anything to discuss or report? 17:29:19 [bhaisaab]: looks like he's away as well, alright before we wrap up, anyone want to discuss anything? 17:30:23 [bhaisaab]: Thanks everyone for attending the meeting, see you all next week
