Hi Noah, I'm not the guy to ask about shifting the Citrix CloudPlatform repo to a new URL. However, everyone will be eager to find a bright line solution that avoids a debate over the scope of Apache's trademarks!
With that in mind, can someone else help address these points? Cheers, DL > -----Original Message----- > From: Noah Slater [mailto:nsla...@tumbolia.org] > Sent: 29 September 2012 17:28 > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Github integration > > Apache, Apache CloudStack, and CloudStack are all trademarks of the Apache > Software Foundation. (Or they will be once CloudStack graduates.) Therefor, > we have to be careful about using them. And third parties have to be careful > about using them. Third parties should not cause any confusion about what is > and what isn't a part of the Apache CloudStack project. > > You can read more our policy here: > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ > > The point I want to make, however, is that it's a little more than just some > virtual paths in a Git repos here. > > Some ways in which the current CloudStack account on GitHub are > problematic: > > - CloudStack is used as the account name, in both the URL and the UI > - The account advertises itself as the "CloudStack Project" > - There is a repository itself called "CloudStack" > - There is a link to http://cloudstack.org > - The word "CloudStack" is frequently used in repository names > - There isn't a single mention of Apache anywhere on the page > > Now, admittedly, all of these things exist because this account used to be the > home of CloudStack. It is not as if someone has come along after the fact, > and is now using our name irresponsibly. But they still present an issue, > because there is significant scope for confusion here. > > I am assuming there are already plans in place to retire the original > repository > as part of the move to Apache. This should, of course, include a rebranding, > and a reworking of this GitHub account. Do you know what the timeline is for > that? > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Donal Lafferty > <donal.laffe...@citrix.com>wrote: > > > Hi Noah, > > > > You raise an interesting point about trademarks. Are virtual paths in > > github repos considered a mark of authenticity? If we go by mere name > > matching, I see a possibility . However, Apache itself establishes a > > different mark of authenticity by placing 'apache' at the root of > > their virtual path. AFAIK, UK courts expect the average consumer to > > be able to grasp these subtleties. I expect this is because they > > don't like impediments to commerce. Also, they'll have to take a > > narrow view of trademark to avoid overlapping claims from github itself. > > > > WRT emails for all GIT pulls, wouldn't broadcasting pull requests > > clutter the dev mailing list? > > > > DL > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Noah Slater [mailto:nsla...@tumbolia.org] > > > Sent: 29 September 2012 15:27 > > > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org > > > Subject: Re: Github integration > > > > > > The CloudStack account on Github needs to be cleaned up then. > > > Perhaps rename it so that it is clear the account is operated by > > > Citrix. At the > > moment, > > > it looks like a canonical source for Apache CloudStack. Obviously, > > > this > > isn't > > > okay. "CloudStack" is (or will be) a trademark of the ASF, and needs > > > to > > be > > > used appropriately. > > > > > > Additionally, the README.md in the CloudStack repository should > > > probably be updated to outline a pull request workflow for GitHub > > > users. I presume that pull requests on GitHub send a mail to the > > > mailing list? If not, I > > can help > > > to get that set up. > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Donal Lafferty > > > <donal.laffe...@citrix.com>wrote: > > > > > > > Non-authoritative answer: > > > > > > > > ASF repo: > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-cloudstack.git > > > > ASF mirror: http://github.com/apache/incubator-cloudstack > > > > > > > > Citrix repo: http://github.com/CloudStack (pre ASF and forks for > > > > customer > > > > support) > > > > > > > > > > > > The wiki and Apache CMS sites should reference ASF repo. First > > > > priority was to move information to the Apache wiki, so not all > > > > pages may yet be updated. > > > > > > > > DL > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Noah Slater [mailto:nsla...@tumbolia.org] > > > > > Sent: 29 September 2012 10:18 > > > > > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org > > > > > Subject: Re: Github integration > > > > > > > > > > Just following up on this. > > > > > > > > > > Could someone explain the difference between: > > > > > > > > > > - http://github.com/CloudStack > > > > > - http://github.com/apache/incubator-cloudstack > > > > > - > > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-cloudstack.git > > > > > > > > > > Do we really have three repositories? > > > > > > > > > > Are they all writable? > > > > > > > > > > Is any of this documented anywhere? > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Noah Slater > > > > > <nsla...@tumbolia.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the deal with Github and CloudStack? > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice things like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/CloudStack/hudsonbuild/pull/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems that there is write activity, PRs, etc, going on over there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this stuff mirrored back to the ASF repos, or is it > > > > > > completely > > > > separate? > > > > > > > > > > > > Very curious! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > NS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > NS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > NS > > > > > > -- > NS
