Paul, yeap, Seesaw is definitely something worth considering. Dave Ray hasn't abandoned the project, but I sent a personal email to him asking about the state of the project and it does seem the Seesaw is in more of a maintenance phase than a continue to move forward and improve phase. Dave Ray, if you're on this list, would you chime in?
Also, I was at the talk you mentioned and was very impressed with their methods. What wasn't mentioned in the talk was the fundamental structure of the interface between Clojure and JavaFX. One point that _really_ struck me is that they have a reoccurring timer running in the background and each time it wakes up it checks for changes on the app-state (presumably an atom, but I do not remember). If the app-state has changed then it starts re-rendering the UI. If I remember correctly it recreates the UI components that rely on any part of the app state that has changed. It sounds a little similar to Facebook React. I questioned them on this approach as it sounded strange to me... and they convinced me it's a good approach for their project and inspired me to try something similar on my own... which I'm secretly working on ;-) One thing that makes this work so well for their approach is that they have animations that depend on the app state. So their reoccurring timer is almost like a video algorithm redrawing the on screen image at the specified frame rate. -- Jason Zwolak On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Paul L. Snyder <p...@pataprogramming.com> wrote: > Yow, old indeed! > > In 2011, Dave Ray released Seesaw, which is a very nice wrapper for Swing. > I've used it for a bunch of projects, and it works great. Of course, it > does look like Swing, but it's plenty usable. (It's also still being > maintained, so if you're looking for a toolkit that you can use right now, > it's a good way to go.) > > https://github.com/daveray/seesaw > > That said, I'd also love to see a JavaFX wrapper. At the Conj in Philly, > Cognitect talked about a project where they'd used it extensively: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajX09xQ_UEg > > It's definitely piqued my interest. > > Paul > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Jason Zwolak wrote: > > > +1 JavaFX. > > > > I know this is an old thread... but in case anyone comes across it (like > I > > did just now) and wants to see where things are, they should know that > > JavaFX has come a long way and seems to be Oracle's replacement for > Swing. > > Now JavaFX is no longer only in JavaFXscript... in fact, I believe > > JavaFXscript is deprecated in favor of the JavaFX Java classes. > > > > I've seen some major projects done with Clojure and JavaFX... even from > the > > guys at Cognitect. > > > > On Thursday, May 27, 2010 at 11:18:41 AM UTC-4, Luke VanderHart wrote: > > > > > > My side project is a fairly complex GUI application written in > > > Clojure. Recently, I've become irritated with using Java interop for > > > everything. It's not that Clojure doesn't have nice java interop - it > > > does. It's just that when interacting with a GUI framework, which is a > > > large part of my app, I have to be back in mutable object-oriented > > > land, worrying about class hierarchies, mutable state, locks, etc. > > > Yucky. > > > > > > So, with a perhaps dangerous lack of sanity and without any guarantee > > > of success, I've decided to try my hand at writing an idiomatic > > > Clojure GUI library. If I have success (which I doubt) I will of > > > course make it available as open source. > > > > > > I intend for it to be mostly declarative, with a nice DSL for defining > > > GUI elements. Each component will also implement map, and use one of > > > Clojure's reference types as an interface for inspecting / updating > > > its state. I may also implement some aspects of Functional Reactive > > > Programming wherever it's convenient to do so. > > > > > > What you all must help me decide is what GUI framework to use as the > > > underpinnings of it. It's genuinely hard to decide. I have at least > > > some experience with all of them, so I have no strong preference, but > > > I'd like to get your input. I did consider trying to make it abstract > > > enough that you could plug in *any* of them under the hood, but > > > there's enough differences between the frameworks that that would get > > > very ugly very fast. > > > > > > Possibilities are: > > > > > > AWT > > > Pros: native widgets, bundled with Java, low-level > > > Cons: few widgets, considered somewhat obselete > > > > > > Swing > > > Pros: bundled with Java, good widget selection > > > Cons: non-native widgets > > > > > > SWT > > > Pros: native widgets, widely used > > > Cons: requires platform-specific libs > > > > > > QT Jambi > > > Pros: native widgets, huge widget selection, highly-regarded framework > > > Cons: requires platform-specific libs, writing custom widgets is > > > hairy, momentum and support seem to be lagging since Nokia dropped > > > official support. > > > > > > Remember, the actual API won't matter - that will be completely > > > abstracted away. So try to focus on the framework's look and feel. > > > Also let me know if I've missed any of the framework's key > > > characteristics. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -Luke > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clojure/NkLXh8KYXqk/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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