On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 12:28:24 AM UTC+1, Mikera wrote: > It would be great if Neanderthal simply implemented the core.matrix > protocols, then people could use it as a core.matrix implementation for > situations where it makes sense. I really think it is an architectural > dead-end for Neanderthal to develop a separate API. You'll simply get less > users for Neanderthal and fragment the Clojure library ecosystem which > doesn't help anyone. >
Mike, I explained that many times in detail what's wrong with core.matrix, and I think it is a bit funny that you jump in every time Neanderthal is mentioned with the same dreams about core.matrix, without even trying Neanderthal, or discussing the issues that I raised. Every time your answer is that core.matrix is fine for *YOUR* use cases. That's fine with me and I support your choice, but core.matrix fell short for *MY* use cases, and after detailed inspection I decided it was unsalvageable. If I thought I could improve it, it would have been easier for me to do that than to spend my time fiddling with JNI and GPU minutes. I understand your emotions about core.matrix, and I empathize with you. I support your contributions to Clojure open-source space, and am glad if core.matrix is a fine solution for a number of people. Please also understand that it is not a solution to every problem, and that it can also be an obstacle, when it fells short in a challenge. > In the absence of that, we'll just need to develop separate BLAS > implementations for core.matrix. > I support you. If you do a good job, I might even learn something now and improve Neanderthal. > Would be great if you could implement the core.matrix protocols and solve > this issue. It really isn't much work, I'd even be happy to do it myself if > Neanderthal worked on Windows (last time I tried it doesn't). > I am happy that it is not much work, since it will be easy for you or someone else to implement it ;) Contrary to what you said on slack, I am *not against it*. I said that many times. Go for it. The only thing that I said is that *I* do not have time for that nor I have any use of core.matrix. Regarding Windows - Neanderthal works on Windows. I know this because a student of mine compiled it (he's experimenting with an alternative GPU backend for Neanderthal and prefers to work on Windows). As I explained to you in the issue that you raised on GitHub last year, You have to install ATLAS on your machine, and Neanderthal has nothing un-Windowsy in its code. There is nothing Neanderthal specific there, it is all about comiling ATLAS. Follow any ATLAS or Nympu + ATLAS or R + ATLAS guide for instructions. Many people did that installation, so I doubt it'd be a real obstacle for you. > On Sunday, 13 March 2016 23:34:23 UTC+8, Dragan Djuric wrote: >> >> I am soon going to release a new version of Neanderthal. >> >> I reinstalled ATLAS, so I decided to also update benchmarks with threaded >> ATLAS bindings. >> >> The results are still the same for doubles on one core: 10x faster than >> Vectorz and 2x faster than JBlas. >> >> The page now covers some more cases: multicore ATLAS (on my 4-core >> i7-4790k) and floats. Neanderthal is 60 times faster with multi-threaded >> ATLAS and floats than Vectorz (core.matrix). >> >> For the rest of the results, please follow the link. This will work with >> older versions of Neanderthal. >> >> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Clojure/comments/4a8o9n/new_matrix_multiplication_benchmarks_neanderthal/ >> http://neanderthal.uncomplicate.org/articles/benchmarks.html >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
