It is obvious to me now that I am still very much a newbie to Clojure! On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to pipe-lines of immutable data transformations. That was the biggest > paradigm shift for me coming to FP and made the world a much better place. > > On 2 Oct 2015, at 16:41, Gary Trakhman <gary.trakh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There are a lot of strategies to deal with the coupling of reuse. I find > that using pure functions makes it easy to split off responsibilities after > the fact and add multiple entry points (the hard thing becomes naming those > functions). Eventually a new 'essence' of the abstraction will show itself > and inspire a larger refactor. That's something I really miss when doing > java. > > Also, I feel that the reusable clojure code is always doing more work than > corresponding java code, so my frustration in refactoring is much greater > with java and its IDEs. The refactorings are always superficial compared > to what I'm trying to express, and in clojure I can work with data > contracts easily. I often end up writing a new version of the reusable > abstraction, writing adapters (just data transformations) from the old to > the new, then gutting the old implementation, then hopefully gutting the > adapters over time. Clojure's data focus makes this easy. > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:31 AM Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It might just be me, but I also find the cost of the explicit coupling >> that is re-use is often far more expensive than any saving offered by >> re-use of a bunch of text. I also find this _more_ expensive in Clojure >> than Java as refactoring in Java was pretty robust (IntelliJ is incredibly >> powerful for this). >> >> On 2 Oct 2015, at 16:25, William la Forge <laforg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Refactoring for reuse is a kind of early optimization? Agreed! Generally >> for me it waits until the second or third rewrite, as by then I have a bit >> of an idea about where I am headed with the code. >> >> OTOH, I finally realized that when I don't know where I am going with >> something, keeping the logic in functions instead of methods is probably >> safest. I'm thinking now that methods should mostly just be used for their >> polymorphism as just a very thin layer over a set of interfaces. >> >> I was so impressed with the advantages of Java over C++ when I started >> using it 20 years ago. But now that I've been exposed to Clojure, I'm >> inclined to minimize my use of OO and use objects mostly as what I used >> before OO: dispatch tables! >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clojure/mLzj2aYa2Cg/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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