The usual argument for completing the bootstrap is to simplify porting, though Clojure does not seem to need any help there.
On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 11:33:39 AM UTC-4, tbc++ wrote: > > " isn't Clojure code easier to maintain/extend than Java code?" > > Sure, but is that were the problems lie in Clojure maintenance? Take a > look at the JIRA tickets. The majority deal with how to map some concept to > the JVM (same problem in Java or Clojure), or the correct way to implement > something to either maintain efficiency or compliance with legacy code. > None of this is predicated on a Clojure based on Java. > > I hate saying that because having the bragging rights of a self-hosting > language is pretty awesome, and the language developer in me would love to > see it. But Clojure is a very pragmatic language, and there just aren't > that many reasons why we *need* CinC. > > Timothy > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:23 AM, William la Forge <lafo...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Well gosh, Timothy, isn't Clojure code easier to maintain/extend than >> Java code? There's a lot less boiler plate at least. Or is it just that >> Clojure is superior mostly when multi-threading because of its use of >> immutables? >> >> Are you really saying that Clojure is not an advantageous choice for >> implementing Clojure? Perhaps as a newbie I'm just oversold on Clojure? Or >> are you just taking a short-term view and saying that a rewrite would carry >> no IMMEDIATE advantages. Of course, the counter for that is that a rewrite >> ALWAYS carries immediate advantages. :D >> >> On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 11:10:05 AM UTC-4, tbc++ wrote: >>> >>> " I would think that having Clojure implemented entirely in Clojure >>> would have a number of advantages." >>> >>> I think that's the place you should start. List those advantages. >>> Clojure-in-Clojure would be a "nice" thing to have...but I can't really >>> think of any major features it would enable that aren't possible in Clojure >>> already. >>> >>> One thing that would be nice to have would be to switch Clojure's Java >>> interfaces over to protocols, e.g. `Counted` could be a protocol instead of >>> a interface. But that could be done on the existing codebase, without the >>> need for a full rewrite. >>> >>> Timothy >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:03 AM, William la Forge <lafo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Step 2 in the classical bootstrap process for a language is to rewrite >>>> it in itself. Clojure is more than capable of this. But Clojure continues >>>> to rely on Java code for its implementation. >>>> >>>> Is there a reason why this was not done? Efficiency issues? A rush to >>>> create something usable? I would think that having Clojure implemented >>>> entirely in Clojure would have a number of advantages. >>>> >>>> I am sure there was a deliberate decision, not to complete the >>>> bootstrap process. 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