Thanks for the kind words Fergal, and as I said in my other mail, I'm very pleased to see more people thinking about this problem. It's a hard one, for sure - I'd love to be able to open source Cursive but I haven't seen any viable way to do so except by selling it to a company who can afford to pay me to work on it.
And I'm always a huge fan of disrupting exploitative industries - I wish you the best of luck with that. I'm dealing with a lot of banks and payment systems at the moment, and I'd dearly love a disruptor ray! Cheers, Colin On 5 June 2015 at 23:31, Fergal Byrne <fergalbyrnedub...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Colin, > > I'm a huge fan of Cursive, and have heard you discuss the challenge of > earning back your investment, so I'm completely on your side on that. This > idea is for people who wish to dual-license their tech, but can't see a > simple way to have both a GPL-based community and a revenue stream. It's > certainly not for everyone, but it is another option for some. > > We've already received feedback about the two years, so it'll likely be > owner-selectable between 2 and 4 years. The license is transitive, so you'd > actually have up to 4 (or 8) years of licensing income to plan for. The > limit is to encourage projects to move on to the next major version or new > projects, leaving the open source side to continue development. > > The "evil" reference certainly wasn't aimed at you (or Cognitect)! That > idea is about encouraging small businesses to disrupt exploitative big > businesses, and to spread their technology to others around the world. An > example would be developing software to run a local Credit Union, helping > them to combat the marketing and lobbying might of the big banks. > > Cheers, > > Fergal > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Colin Fleming < > colin.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm the author of Cursive, which I'm planning to sell and which will be >> (mostly) closed source. What I don't see here is what would be the >> advantage to me in using this license? I'm not releasing closed source >> because I'm evil, but because I want Cursive development to be sustainable >> so I can continue to develop it and my family can continue to eat and not >> live in cardboard boxes. Charging for closed source software is the only >> realistic model I can see that achieves this goal. >> >> I suspect the Datomic team's reasoning is similar - their pricing is far >> from outrageous for the sort of product they're offering. What would be the >> advantage to them in doing this? They would simply lose the ability to >> charge in two years' time, and they would also lose the vast majority of >> their clients who also wouldn't want to be bound by these restrictions. >> Nobody wins, as far as I can see. >> >> On 5 June 2015 at 22:17, Fergal Byrne <fergalbyrnedub...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> An old-school C++ dev and I have started an initiative to combine the >>> best of Open Source with a limited commercial license. It's not a new idea >>> - MySQL creator Monty Widenius thought of something less viral in 2013 [1]. >>> >>> The Time-Bombed Open License [2] is the commercial side of a >>> dual-licensed project, best paired with something strongly viral like GPL. >>> Essentially, the project owner has 2 (up to 4) years to commercialise their >>> product and then must go fully Open Source. The license is viral, so any >>> commercial licensees must also use the TBOL and eventually open up their >>> derived products. >>> >>> One major idea is to foster a culture of disruption of exploitative >>> industries. If you can develop software to disrupt in your local market, >>> your innovation can be used similarly by others elsewhere, and each new >>> startup can improve on your work while earning their keep. Eventually, all >>> derived products become Open Source and are free to all. >>> >>> We'd appreciate any comments, feedback and assistance from the wonderful >>> Clojure community - we're up on twitter at @OccupyStartups. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Fergal Byrne >>> >>> p.s. I wonder if this might be a solution to the clamour for Datomic to >>> be Open Sourced (cough)? >>> >>> [1] >>> http://monty-says.blogspot.ie/2013/06/business-source-software-license-with.html >>> [2] http://occupystartups.me >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>> >>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>> >>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>> >>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>> Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>> >>> e:fergalbyrnedub...@gmail.com t:+353 83 4214179 >>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>> Formerly of Adnet edi...@adnet.ie http://www.adnet.ie >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > > Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT > > http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology > http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne > > Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - > https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex > > Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC > Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines > > e:fergalbyrnedub...@gmail.com t:+353 83 4214179 > Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org > Formerly of Adnet edi...@adnet.ie http://www.adnet.ie > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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