That phrase ("giving it back") refers to improvements to or extensions of
the codebase made by commercial licensees. The GPL has a clause which
allows "improvers' and "extenders" to delay reintroducing their extensions
by up to 12 months for this very reason. Apart from having some more
business-friendly aspects, our idea is every bit as forceful as GPL. In
fact, someone familiar with the matter told me Stallman suggested these
very ideas to Sun for Java in 2000.On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Andy Fingerhut <andy.finger...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't have any comment on the license, except to say that the escrow > approach suggested by Franklin Siler seems like it should address this > concern, and I believe has been frequently used by large companies wanting > a small don't-know-how-long-they'll-exist company to escrow their source > code in case they go out of business. > > My main comment is on this phrase: "but they then have to give it all back" > > That phrase is commonly used, but wrong. The code was never taken from > anyone, and no one gave it to them in the first place. They wrote it. > They can give it away, but they can't give it back to anyone. > > Andy > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:11 AM, Fergal Byrne <fergalbyrnedub...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Frank, >> >> That's a great post (and the Mailpile post is also a great discussion of >> the topic), thanks for sharing. >> >> The GPL already has a clause which allows the owner (and downstream user) >> to defer, for 12 months, the full obligations of GPL - see this guy's take: >> https://github.com/zooko/tgppl/blob/master/COPYING.TGPPL-v2-draft.rst >> >> Our idea is a bit more startup-friendly - on the commercial side of the >> dual license, everyone can keep their improvements/extensions closed for up >> to the full duration of the time-bomb, but they then have to give it all >> back. >> >> As to enforceability, I'm guessing copying the language of GPL is >> hopefully sufficient. These things are rarely tested as far as I know, but >> I'm sure someone knows better than me. >> >> Appreciate the feedback, >> >> Fergal >> >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Franklin M. Siler <m...@franksiler.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 0517, Fergal Byrne <fergalbyrnedub...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > An old-school C++ dev and I have started an initiative to combine the >>> best of Open Source with a limited commercial license. It's not a new idea >>> - MySQL creator Monty Widenius thought of something less viral in 2013 [1]. >>> > >>> > The Time-Bombed Open License [2] is the commercial side of a >>> dual-licensed project, best paired with something strongly viral like GPL. >>> Essentially, the project owner has 2 (up to 4) years to commercialise their >>> product and then must go fully Open Source. The license is viral, so any >>> commercial licensees must also use the TBOL and eventually open up their >>> derived products. >>> > >>> > One major idea is to foster a culture of disruption of exploitative >>> industries. If you can develop software to disrupt in your local market, >>> your innovation can be used similarly by others elsewhere, and each new >>> startup can improve on your work while earning their keep. Eventually, all >>> derived products become Open Source and are free to all. >>> > >>> > We'd appreciate any comments, feedback and assistance from the >>> wonderful Clojure community - we're up on twitter at @OccupyStartups. >>> >>> I’ve written a lawyer friend who does more than I do with licensing; I >>> teach in this area but don’t normally advise clients on it. I would be >>> concerned that a court might not apply the license as intended, but then of >>> course- you’d have to analyze whether these things ever wind up in front of >>> a judge. >>> >>> This timed scheme seems like an overcomplicated way of achieving the >>> desired result. It would be simpler, and less restrictive on the dev, to >>> simply escrow your source. If you should become unable to support the >>> software, the escrow agent is directed to publicize the source. >>> >>> I wrote a bit more about related issues for Mailpile: >>> http://franksiler.com/on-choosing-open-licenses/ >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> >>> >>> Franklin M. 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