Hi Tassilo,

Thanks for the reply.

The thing is, although the implementations for extending protocols directly
in records and with extend-type might be different, there is no reason why
the syntax should be different: from Clojure-programmer perspective it’s
all the same. It is a leaked abstraction if we have to thing about those
details. The same applies for interface implementation: overloaded methods
there and multi-arity functions in Clojure shouldn’t look differently to a
Clojure programmer (unless there is some more profound difference).
​


Best regards,
Alexey

On 13 May 2015 at 14:46, Tassilo Horn <t...@gnu.org> wrote:

> Alexey Cherkaev <alexey.cherk...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Hi Alexey,
>
> > If you have a protocol
> >
> > (defprotocol Foo (foo [x] [x y]))
> >
> > and implement it for the record
> >
> > (defrecord Bar [p q r]
> >   Foo
> >   (foo [x] x)
> >   (foo [x y] [x y]))
> >
> > you write each method separately.  The same is true for extend-type.
> > Yet, if you use extend-protocol syntax is more like usual Clojure
> > multi-arity function definition:
> >
> > (extend-protocol Foo
> >   Bar
> >   (foo
> >      ([x] x)
> >      ([x y] [x y])))
> >
> > The first question is why there is a difference?
>
> I think, the difference is that deftype/defrecord create an interface
> (and an implementation class) under the hoods, and there, the different
> arities of foo are actually different methods.
>
> extend/extend-type/extend-protocol dynamically extend a protocol to some
> type.  Basically, the protocol's underlying dynamic dispatch table gets
> a new [type impl-function] entry where impl-function is a real Clojure
> function, thus you must specify all arities you want to support the
> normal Clojure way.
>
> > Secondly, if you mess up which syntax is where, the error you will get
> > is quite obscure, nothing guards you against essentially a *wrong
> > syntax*: both extend-type and extend-protocol are macros, so it
> > shouldn’t be too difficult to add a quick check on correctness.
>
> Yeah, for extend-protocol/extend-type the standard multi-arity syntax is
> the only correct one.
>
> > But lastly, wouldn’t it be better to have a uniform syntax?
>
> The problem is that defrecord and deftype also allow for implementing
> interfaces.  If Foo above was an interface, foo with 1 argument and foo
> with 2 arguments are completely separate methods (ok, they overload),
> thus it makes sense to define them separately.  However, if Foo was a
> protocol, it would also make sense to notate it as multi-arity function.
> But then you have an inconsistent syntax inside defrecord/deftype.
> Well, although one could argue that this was a good thing because it
> would allow to see immediately if Foo was a protocol or an interface.
>
> Bye,
> Tassilo
>

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