This is another way of saying "Do not point the contrast between Clojure and other technologies just because I don't know those technologies". I believe showing the clear contrasts (and in general pain points in this field) by people like me who worked in both Clojure and non clojure technologies for years needs to be highly valued and well understood (instead of being a moral police that reminds me of 1984 novel).
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com> wrote: > Luc, you are missing the point: this isn't the forum for that > discussion regardless of how valid the points in that discussion are. > This is a _Clojure_ forum, not a 'what's wrong with the (technology) > world' forum, I would suggest this isn't even a 'how can Clojure fix > the world' forum. > > Luc, please read the various responses carefully - replying by > validating the points in your discussion/justifying your position is > missing the point, please do not reply until you understand that. > > I think we should just let this thread die, so I'm out. > > > On 26 March 2015 at 13:08, Luc Préfontaine <lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> > wrote: > > The 'attack' word is again a manifestation of extreme political > correctness. > > > > I will argue that these technologies with their inherent complexity are > creating huge > > bureaucracies to attract and hide unqualified/unskilled/uncommited/... > aka 'stupid' people > > from scrutiny. > > > > These environments have the perverse effect of encouraging people not to > think > > too much at least not publicly because of that political correctness > pushed to the limit. > > 'You are not a team player, blablablalbla...'. > > > > 'Stupidity' is not off topic here, not at all. It's been a plague for > two decades in this industry > > as soon as demand increased for sotfware. It started to attract people > mid 80s because of > > the promise to get a well paid job. Not because they had above average > skills or had a keen > > interest in it. 'I do not need to understand technology, I'll be a > manager in three years'. > > This a real quote from a colleague when I was quite green. > > > > Meanwhile HR replaced know-how by worthless tags (add water to this > pouch and you will get a > > Java/Ruby/... asset) and processes hoping to use a Taylor approach to > creativity like > > if we were building cars on an assembly line. > > > > Some would argue that without this enterprise mass market, we would not > have the technology > > we have at hand these days. True. The industry has been recycling old > concepts > > for 30 years branding them as new. Huge costs with incremental changes. > > > > This mitigated success is limited by this assembly line model. > > And unlike a car plant, it cannot be robotized. > > You need to change wetware... Hence the 'stupidity' factor discussion. > > > > Now if the anonymity thing bugs you, I can bring forward explicit names > in this thread > > with the failing projects, budget, ..., just let me pull my notes here... > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Software Architect & Computer Scientist -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
