Hey Dan & Michael, I'd add this talk [1] to Neal's great talk as a cautionary tale before trying to force things on nervous managers. Remember that a manager's #1 priority is keeping his own job, and being the guy who green-lighted an experiment will get you fired (or at least sidelined) if the initiative fails and you can be blamed. Back in the '80's, people said "no one ever got fired for hiring IBM".
As mentioned in this talk, you should get to work using Clojure on non-production code, maybe on some tool which is creating problems for your team. Demonstrate how replacing pieces or all of the crusty Java/Scala/Ruby codebase with clean and crisp Clojure is a no-brainer for this task. If it doesn't work, don't say anything about that and move on to another mini-project. On the jobs question, Daniel (from here in Dublin) is correct. The main reason you don't see any jobs is because that would indicate the hiring company has already switched production projects to Clojure (by training existing devs), and very few have done this yet (for the reasons stated above). Clojure houses like Juxt and Cognitect are all hiring, but often rely on personal networks rather than broadcasting on job sites. There are a couple of sites like functionaljobs [2] for companies without good personal networks. Clojure is winning one dev at a time. There are almost no cases of teams switching back to Java or Scala once they've worked with Clojure for a while. The same cannot be said for Groovy or Scala, which are being abandoned in good numbers. Regards, Fergal [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWKf3ROVgrY [2] http://functionaljobs.com/ On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Daniel Kersten <dkers...@gmail.com> wrote: > Regarding hiring, it seems to me that most of the smaller companies aren't > hiring clojure developers but rather training other developers. > > I know one local former java shop that now mostly uses clojure for new > development and non of their team of ~10 had any prior clojure experience. > In my own startup I'm one of only two developers and the other guy had no > prior clojure experience but picked it up in a matter of weeks. > > To add to the "who's using clojure" conversation: I know three companies > here (Dublin, Ireland) who are using Clojure heavily (and one or two more > US companies who use it who have operations here but I think they're > already mentioned on the lists here). > > > On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 09:53 Rangel Spasov <raspa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Haha this is the funniest thing I've read in a while! Good luck, forge >> on! :) >> >> >> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 7:47:41 AM UTC-8, Michael Richards wrote: >> >>> I'm about to start training 4 devs on my team at Oracle in Clojure. My >>> manager is very nervous about putting Clojure into the product. I'm >>> forging on regardless :) I rewrote some components of our product in >>> Clojure in my spare time, mainly as a proof of concept that we could do >>> some of our analytics in the streaming model rather than in the data >>> warehousing model. As sometimes happens, the POC was so simple and fast >>> that the team is now interested in productizing it. >>> >>> In our last 1-1 meeting, my manager told me he had searched LinkedIn for >>> Clojure and "only" got 9000 matches. Whereas his search for Java turned >>> up 80 million or some such. My rebuttal is that those are the 9000 >>> smartest developers, so you should be trying to recruit them. >>> >>> >>> --mike >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2011 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, Damien wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> I'm on a mission: introducing Clojure in my company, which is a big >>>> consulting company like many others. >>>> >>>> I started talking about Clojure to my manager yesterday. >>>> I was prepared to talk about all the technical benefits and he was >>>> interested. >>>> I still have a long way to go but I think that was a good start. >>>> >>>> However I need to figure out how to answer to one of his questions: who >>>> is using Clojure? >>>> >>>> Obviously I know each of you is using Clojure, that makes almost 5,000 >>>> people. >>>> I know there is Relevance and Clojure/core. >>>> I read about BackType or FlightCaster using Clojure. >>>> >>>> But, let's face it, that doesn't give me a killer answer. >>>> >>>> What could help is a list of success stories, a bit like MongoDB >>>> published here: >>>> http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Production+Deployments >>>> >>>> Is there a place where I could find this kind of information for >>>> Clojure? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Damien Lepage >>>> http://damienlepage.com >>>> >>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines Speaking on Clortex and HTM/CLA at euroClojure Krakow, June 2014: http://euroclojure.com/2014/ and at LambdaJam Chicago, July 2014: http://www.lambdajam.com e:fergalbyrnedub...@gmail.com t:+353 83 4214179 Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org Formerly of Adnet edi...@adnet.ie http://www.adnet.ie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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