Guys, you really are into the Literate part, those emails are huge! let me
catch up and then I'll reply...

Interesting discussion!


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Mark Engelberg <mark.engelb...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Mark Engelberg 
> <mark.engelb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> In fact, Clojure has a number of features that actively hurt its
>> expressiveness relative to other modern languages:
>>
>
> BTW, that list was by no means exhaustive.  In the past couple of hours
> I've thought of a couple more, I'm sure others could easily add to the list:
>
> 7. Use of infix notation means that math formulas look dramatically
> different in Clojure than in math form, and therefore, it is difficult to
> determine at a glance whether a formula as implemented in Clojure matches.
> 8. Arrays in many domains are more naturally expressed as 1-based, but in
> Clojure, they are 0-based.  I've encountered a lot of code that was
> confusing because of lots of increments/decrements to shift back and forth
> between the problem as specified with 1-based implementation and the
> 0-based implementation imposed by Clojure.  Lots of opportunities for
> off-by-one errors and/or later confusion when other readers try to make
> sense out of the code.
> 9. Clojure's ease of functional composition can result in deeply nested
> calls that are far easier to write than they are to read.
> 10. Unlike most other languages, every time you give names to local
> variables with let, you add a level of indentation.  Especially with
> alternations of let and if/cond, you can easily end up with "rightward
> drift" that makes code harder to read.
>
> These are things we learn to live with.  If these were show-stoppers, I'd
> be using another language, but they are not, so on balance I prefer Clojure
> with its other many strengths.  My only point is that by no means is
> Clojure a pinnacle of expressiveness where all code is miraculously obvious.
>
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