On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 2:22:13 PM UTC-5, da...@axiom-developer.org wrote:
>
> Gregg,
>
> > My original comment on litprog ("bad bad bad") was admittedly a little
> > strong. I think its bad for some things, fine for others. And it's
> > possible litprog conventions will evolve to address the problems some of
> us
> > see with using it for programming in the large etc.
>
> Could you explain what "some of the problems some of us see with using
> it for programming in the large" might be? It is hard to refute
> "bad bad bad" and other assertions without specific examples.
>
> Axiom (1.2 million lines of lisp) is being rewritten into a literate
> program. So far I can't think of a problem. Clojure is being reworked
> into literate form already and I can't see a problem other than trying
> to understand and explain code I didn't write (reading code is hard).
>
> The Clojure community isn't ready to make the leap into a literate
> world. I understand that. But Clojure is still at the stage of writing
> new code for new uses. There are few people who need to modify code
> written by programmers who left the community. That's when the need
> will arise for clearly communicating ideas to other humans.
>
> The technical debt has not come due ... but it will.
>
> Tim
>
Previous posts in this and related threads make it clear that some people
dislike literate programming as a general requirement. I am one of them.
At the same time, I think that literate programming is probably a Good
Thing in certain contexts. Some kinds of coding probably benefit from
L.P. At the very least L.P. a good thing in some contexts simply in that
some people like it. So I support it use in appropriate contexts--e.g. for
projects carried out by people who like it, or for projects that would seem
to derive special benefits from it. I don't believe that L.P. is either
necessary or sufficient for good documentation, and I would be dismayed if
it were adopted as a general norm for Clojure.
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