Yes, I feel framework is a patch to a language. Use framework can do some thing productively, but also limit you do some thing poorly. Prefer Libraries to Frameworks
http://blog.getprismatic.com/blog/2012/4/5/software-engineering-at-prismatic.html -- tao Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig) On Thursday, December 26, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Malcolm Sparks wrote: > Hi Massimiliano. > > The absence of a well-established framework for web development in Clojure is > not a sign of its immaturity (rather the opposite). Web frameworks can give > you some increased productivity to begin with, but as soon as you need to do > something that isn't naturally supported by your chosen web framework you're > in trouble, and that's when productivity drops off a cliff as you struggle to > bend the web framework to your requirements. For example, you choose a web > framework with good REST support, then find out later you need to add web > sockets. > > I've written and deployed about a dozen serious web applications using > Clojure. My opinion is the best strategy that guarantees long-term > productivity is to build your system from a set of smaller components that > you choose 'a la carte'. That way, if your requirements change you can swap > in and out other components as you need to. I would guess that the vast > majority of Clojure web applications are written this way, which is why you > don't see widescale adoption of a particular web 'framework' by the Clojure > community. Instead, Clojure developers pick from a set of constituent parts: > Jetty, http-kit, Ring, Compojure, Hiccup, Enlive, Stencil, Liberator, domina, > dommy, C2, Om, <shameless-plug>bidi</shameless-plug>, and so on and so on. > The fact that these components all fit together so well is one of the truly > outstanding features of the Clojure platform. Few languages come close to > this level of integration, which is why they actively curate frameworks. > > Investing time in Clojure is both pleasurable and productive. It's a question > of whether you want 'short-term' productivity to meet a particular project > goal (choose a web framework), or sustainable productivity to deliver value > to your users over the longer term (choose to learn, understand and utilize a > set of components from the wide pool that the Clojure community has created). > > Regards, > > Malcolm > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:06:20 PM UTC, Massimiliano Tomassoli wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm not sure if Clojure is the right language for me. I'd like to use > > Clojure mainly for web development but I don't know if it's already mature > > enough to be productive. For instance, Scala has Play, Groovy has Grails, > > etc... If I'm not wrong, Clojure doesn't have a well-established framework > > for web development. I'm intrigued by Clojure because I like functional > > programming, but I need to be productive and, alas, I don't have time to > > learn Clojure just for my pleasure. > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com). > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
