On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:01:02 PM UTC-5, Brian Craft wrote

> On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:56:46 AM UTC-7, ArturoH wrote:
>>
>>  I think the shortcoming of ORM tools is that they bring a higher level 
>> technology like SQL and lower it down to the low level of imperative 
>> languages.
>>
>
> Can you give an example?
>

In SQL you can nest statements use views, outer joins. Some new features 
include window functions. In a single SQL statement you can get a lot of 
functionality that would take many more lines of code in an imperative 
language. Plus the database has statistics on data distribution that is 
used to order the file access. Once your data makes it to the imperative 
language. The order of execution of for example, looping constructs, is 
hard-coded. And I could go on. I have to say ORM writers have done wonders 
with imperative languages. They are perfectly usable and in production in 
many places. I just want something even better.  

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