To me you cannot separate Clojure's syntax from its capabilities, because a number of its capabilities are enabled by the syntax.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Christian Sperandio < christian.speran...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the choice of a language has always a subjective part. > Particularly when you learn a language by yourself for pleasure. Because > it's 'for pleasure' you want to learn a fun stuff. > > At work, I believe the subjective part works against a choice. Currently, > at my office, the 8 other colleagues don't want to take a look at Clojure > because of its LISP syntax. Their brain blocks and they don't hear you when > you talk about the language capabilities. > Le 13 août 2013 03:14, "Devin Walters" <dev...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > I have to echo previous sentiments. I'm not going to fill out the survey >> because as it currently stands, it seems like it's begging for a conclusion >> that satisfies the author. >> >> I'd like to see more targeted questions w/r/t syntax. But there again, I >> think this kind of question is highly subjective, and likely to provide a >> narrow view of what people *actually* care about in Clojure: writing great >> programs, being inspired to dig deeper, realizing creative potential, etc. >> >> '(Devin Walters) >> >> On Aug 12, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Ramesh <ramesh10dul...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Great points here! >> >> I think once someone is comfortable with Clojure, Scala will be more >> disgusting than Java. This is because, Scala has such great adornments, >> ironically aspiring toward simplification. >> >> -ramesh >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:58 AM, David Pollak < >> feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> A couple of quick reactions... >>> >>> The survey itself is too "flat". It's like asking "do you like red or >>> green?" Well... I like green on my walls, but I like red on my ties. >>> >>> Scala has macros and a much richer syntax (although doing anything like >>> core.async with Scala macros might be like putting tabsco on an open cut... >>> just sayin') so I don't think the syntax and the macro stuff is a >>> one-to-one mapping. >>> >>> People learn to work with a variety of syntaxes and are successful with >>> them. Java and C++ have viscously awful syntax, yet they are very popular >>> and most users of the languages don't notice. Both C and Lisp model an >>> abstract computer and have syntax that reflects the computer that they >>> model and to my mind, that helps the user of each language grok the >>> abstract computer they are programming. >>> >>> I'd like a two-way mapping between a Clojure and an Excel-like formula >>> language. That way people could write one-liner Clojure functions in a >>> syntax that non-programmers are already comfortable with. I'm noodling with >>> something like that right now. >>> >>> I think Jay and Colin are saying something very, very important: Clojure >>> feels uncomfortable until it feels very comfortable and then there's no >>> going back. I am not yet comfortable with Clojure's syntax, but I totally >>> appreciate it. But I'm doing work in Scala, Java, and Clojure all for pay >>> all in the same week every week... and bouncing among all three makes >>> getting comfortable with Clojure a little slow. Further, I fear (deeply... >>> in my bones) that once I am comfortable with Clojure, doing Scala will be >>> as disgusting as doing Java is after 7 years of Scala. :-( >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Răzvan Rotaru <razvan.rot...@gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm curious about the general opinion on the Clojure syntax, whether >>>> people actually like it or just use it because it provides macros. So I >>>> would like to ask you to participate in a poll. Thank You. >>>> >>>> Here's the link: >>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1GSgfkeThpUYlgFVzhhNIgA1JbTilu6S9eudq_Sbxl34/viewform >>>> >>>> Răzvan >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>>> your first post. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Telegram, Simply Beautiful CMS https://telegr.am >>> Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net >>> Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp >>> Blog: http://goodstuff.im >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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