> How about making the main suggestion be clooj instead, with emacs,
> eclipse, netbeans in the list of alternative options? :)

Sounds like consensus around Clooj.  Released on July 18th, top option
on July 25th!  Things move at lightspeed around here....

The one thing I want to say about Emacs is that at some point we might
want to tell newcomers that it is as close to a standard dev
environment for experienced Clojure programmers as there is (along
with all the necessary warnings about its difficulties).  I've been
using Emacs for such a long time I've forgotten how horrible it can be
though----hence my apparent missrec...

(If Aquamacs consistently worked with Clojure, Emacs would not be as
bad of a problem on Mac at least.  Some people do seem to get it
working----Rich Hickey, for instance.  But I trust he has better
things to do with his time than write Getting Started guides for
Aquamacs.)

I just found out that I don't have permission on dev.clojure to move
pages (which would be needed to reorganize docs obviously).  Does
anyone around here have that permission and want to do it, or shall I
go about and try to get the permission?  Maybe someone with more
experience and having been on dev.clojure longer would be preferred,
but I feel pretty confident I can do \this at least.... = )

Other than not recommending Emacs, do people think that the overall
organization I suggested is a good idea?  I should reiterate that
other information needs to be accessible; for now I'd just like to see
us not presenting people with twelve options as their first view of
Getting Started, all in link form (after at least two clickthroughs
from clojure.org, typically).  Of course people are capable of
digesting the information in the current form, but it takes more time
and mindshare----and why should it?

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