On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:28 PM, nchurch <nchubr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The community getting started page could be much better. In particular, 
>> people have opined that there should be a clear, no-choices-
>> to-make path "For Newbies" section.Help welcome!
>
> I just got edit privileges on dev.clojure and am eager work on it.
> How do people want to see Getting Started on dev.clojure organized?
> Right now there are 12 (!) headings right under Getting Started.  How
> about reducing it to four:
>
> 1) Getting Clojure
> 2) Editing Clojure
> 3) Using Clojure
> 4) Tools
>
> This is the order in which newcomers need to do things.
>
> Under 1) would be a guide for setting up Lein with the Lein REPL.  At
> the end would be a list of links for alternative options.
> Under 2) would be a guide for setting up Emacs (immediately divided
> into Mac, Windows, Linux).  At the end would be a list of alternative
> options: Eclipse, Netbeans, IntelliJ, etc.

No.

No, no, no, no, no!

That will kill 90% of the people that try it as potential future
Clojurians. They'll install emacs, try to use it, throw keyboards out
windows and mice through monitors, say "What? Huh? WTF is this shit!?
AAAAAAGH!" and then run out of standard curse words and resort to
"sweet crobdonker!". And then go play around in Java or C++ and curse
your name every morning until their dying day.

How about making the main suggestion be clooj instead, with emacs,
eclipse, netbeans in the list of alternative options? :)

> Under 3), guides to setting up web programming (+ ClojureScript now?),
> Incanter, and any other killer apps---but not an infinite list by any
> means.  Less common applications again would be relegated to links
> (which may link within dev.clojure of course).

Maybe start with helloworld? :)

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