2010/11/18 Meikel Brandmeyer <m...@kotka.de>

> Salut Laurent,
>
> On 17 Nov., 16:53, Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > while a good description of how things work in 1.2
>
> It doesn't even do that. This is exactly *not* the way it works in
> 1.2, because self-references don't go through the Var. I'd be curious
> to know, why calling the function itself is made a special case. To
> allow this assignements to a different Var and re-defing/removal of
> the original Var?
>

Fair enough, I somehow missed the point of the OP wrt self-referencing
functions.


>
> > it's not accurate for 1.3, and my point was that Stu's description
> > of how 1.3 works (by using words like "the function is recompiled")
> > does not match with my own knowledge of what had been done
> > in 1.3 the days just before the conj.
>
> Forgetting for a second that my explaination is plain wrong... There
> wouldn't be a difference between 1.2 and 1.3. "retrieve something from
> the Var" does say nothing about this "retrieval" being cached in some
> way or not. Even putting the reference directly there and recompiling
> (or doing some other magic to make Repl development make work again)
> has basically the same effect. So the description would be valid for
> 1.2 and 1.3 if the self reference would go through the Var. But as I
> said: it doesn't. So the description is "Quark",
>
> > Since then, I've been away from #clojure (to my regret) and maybe I've
> > missed new evolutions on the way it's handled in master.
>
> I'm missing where development is going on in general. Nothing on the
> mailing list anymore. The last times I lurked #clojure there was no
> dev talk there. Some stuff seems to be done on dev.clojure.org. But I
> find it hard to follow this stuff. Clojure has gone "closed
> development", so to say. (I have no problem with Rich coming up with
> ideas beyond democratic decisions. In fact I think this non-democracy
> is a Good Thing. However I'd like to follow what's going...)
>
> Meikel
>
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