Encounter time. I am sitting next to Rich as I write this.

Stu

> Ok, I have a 1 and 2 :)
> 
> So is it pessimistic or optimistic? So encounter time ensure or commit
> time ensure?
> 
> On Sep 14, 9:36 pm, Stuart Halloway <stuart.hallo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually, the second one is basically it. (Except that I don't know the 
>> Oracle reference, so can't speak to that.)
>> 
>> Stu
>> 
>>> The first one is correct.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:22 PM, peter veentjer <alarmnum...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> I have got a question about the Clojure ensure and how it actually
>>> works and the documentation doesn't provide enough information.
>> 
>>> I see a few different solutions:
>> 
>>> 1) An optimistic approach: Once a ref is 'ensured' it is included in
>>> the conflict detection set. This means that the approach is still
>>> completely optimistic because 2 concurrent transactions that have the
>>> same ensured ref, one of them is going to fail when the transaction
>>> wants to commit. This is a commit time ensure.
>> 
>>> 2) The other approach is a more pessimistic approach where a ref can
>>> be protected against writes made by other transaction as soon as it is
>>> ensured. It still allows reads to happen, but a write/ensure is going
>>> to fail. It could be compared to a oracle 'select.. for update'. This
>>> is an encounter time ensure.
>> 
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