On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:47 , David Nolen wrote:

> If you're going to give example of what the current branch is like, at least 
> write the code how a primitive Clojurian would write it:
> ...
I feel his examples were on purpose not given as a 'primitive' clojurian or a 
'boxing' one would write them but how a random one who has not thought about 
this would write them. And he has a good point most libraries and codes out in 
reality and not discussion club (not meaning I don't enjoy it a lot :P) is 
written by those and might very well run into this problems.
> Yes. With Rich's primitive work we can get to *1 billion arithmetic 
> operations* in < 2/3 of a second on commodity hardware.

Which is absolutely great since I always wanted to do that :P <sarcasm/>, 
meaning the example is kind of far fetched even compared to fact (which is 
working code with useful results).

I actually think Mark makes a good point, if optimization compromises results 
it should be extra effort (think gcc's flag for not initialized integers for 
example) or unchecked math as it exists now. It might sound silly but there are 
some smart people out there who are smart but not experienced, examples as Mark 
gave above might be mistakes in their libraries someday in the feature :).

Regards,
Heinz

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