Thanks for the help.

After working it out, I just figured out that the reason why the
second axiom isn't fulfilled by the m-zero above is this part in m-
bind:
                       ((product-fn product) new-state))))))

product-fn, which in the second axiom's case is (fn [x] m-zero), gets
called and becomes m-zero, which is in turn called on new-state, not
the old state.

I cannot figure out at all, though, what m-zero *is* valid under both
axioms. Now I don't see how it's simply possible at all—are there
monads for which there is no value of m-zero, and is this one of them?

On Nov 21, 9:02 pm, jim <jim.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Glad you found that tutorial useful. I had to run this morning, so I
> couldn't really reply. I'll try to read your post more closely
> tomorrow and see if I can offer any useful insight.
>
> Jim

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