Actually, even "real" programmers can live for a long time with those training wheels I was talking about. As the Python guys have been proclaiming for 20+ years, performance isn't as important as we think for many (most?) applications. What the Python crowd does, when they're code is slower than required, is to profile their code and maybe rewrite their bottlenecks in C or some other optimization.
By the time a Clojure beginner is doing the kind of hardcore concurrent applications that Clojure is great at, he/she will know how to use a profiler. At the point, they'll be ready (and motivated!) to learn about the nuances of conj and friends. I'm open to corrections and ideas. cs _______________________________________ Christian Seberino, Ph.D. Phone: (936) 235-1139 Email: cseber...@gmail.com _______________________________________ On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Christian Seberino <cseber...@gmail.com> wrote: > Understanding the difference and why it's important are far more >> illuminating than just forcing your prior model (like tupelo's >> prepend/append). If your goal is education, then it's doubly important to >> take this journey. It may be a few stops longer, but you'll actually learn >> a lot more and create a mental model that will help you understand more of >> Clojure's philosophy. >> > > We both agree *eventually* it is important for students to understand the > journey you are referring to. I think where we possibly disagree is what > to do in the absolute beginner programming courses. For those I think I'd > still vote for something like tupelo's prepend/append for a few weeks > until they get their programming legs. > > What is beautiful is that this does not involve some addition to the > language standard or controversial vote to make it happen. Basically, > teachers can start with a beginners' > library installed by default which they can discard later. Think of such > libraries as training wheels. They aren't meant to last forever. > > cs > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
