Thank you for posting these video links along with the time markers. I thought I'd enjoyed all of Rich Hickey's presentations before but I actually hadn't seen his "Clojure for Lisp Programmers". Clojure is the only lisp I "know" (still relatively a beginner) but have been fortunate enough to use full-time for the last few years -- given my Java background, I naturally had started with his "Clojure for Java Programmers".
I did not intend to suggest that Clojure should have been a library to a Scheme or Common Lisp. I love the language as it is and not having a prior lisp background, absolutely appreciated watching the "Clojure for Lisp Programmers" (as now having some lisp experience, I could more fully appreciate some of Clojure's roots). I've dabbled with toy programs in both ABCL/SBCL as well as Kawa mostly out of curiosity. My reasons for asking my questions about other people's use of Kawa is that the performance characteristics of its runtime made me think maybe it may be applicable to some areas where Clojure may be a tougher choice (Android, CLI utilities). I think Clojure startup time correlates with how many vars defined, and startup time of my projects increases with var counts. I'm curious if any more thought has gone into this topic on the wiki: https://dev.clojure.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=950293. I can't give up writing software in an immutable/functional style after using Clojure for a couple of years, and was starting to think about what a program using Kawa could look like using Clojure's immutable data structures and STM. What I've settled into doing for using Clojure for CLI utilities thus far has been to just leave an instance running a socket repl on my machine always running and connect to it via rlwrap and socat (only using it interactively though): rlwrap <rlwrap options> socat STDIN TCP4:localhost:<repl port> Anyhow, thanks again for the video link, always a treat to watch a Rich Hickey Clojure talk that I hadn't seen before. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On April 4, 2018 3:23 AM, 'André' via Clojure <clojure@googlegroups.com> wrote: > They maybe relevant too: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V1FtfBDsLU, around 1h4min > > On 04/03/2018 05:29 PM, 'André' via Clojure wrote: > >> Rich has covered some of the motivation of why not extending existing >> Lisp->Java integrations, like Kawa and ABCL: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPNkH-7PRTk, around 3:25 >> >> On 04/02/2018 05:53 PM, 'somewhat-functional-programmer' via Clojure wrote: >> >>> I've recently come across Kawa Scheme and am very intrigued by it. It's >>> Java integration is superb like Clojure and it's very fast. Has anyone >>> here used it to build something? >>> >>> So far I've only tried it with small toy programs. Things I like about it: >>> - Starts up very quickly >>> - Java method notation lends itself to auto-complete >>> (instance:method param1 param2) >>> - Can pre-compile and use it on Android >>> - Repl has line numbers so compilation errors on repl forms have source >>> lines >>> >>> Maybe Kawa fits into a niche that Clojure leaves open with its heavier >>> runtime? Maybe I'm just trying toy programs and those toy programs are >>> fast? :-) >>> >>> One thing that intrigues me here though since java integration is so easy >>> with Kawa is the notion of using Clojure's immutable data structures from >>> Kawa -- maybe even making a clojure "core" library for use from Kawa. >>> >>> -lc >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your >> first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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