Purely technical feature comparison seems good for shortlisting options. How about making a selection criteria that the solution has been proven itself as a primary platform by one of the communities we admire.
Possible benefits: * Subtle features inherent in platforms will have played a role in shaping the community. It'd be hard to identify/list/value them otherwise. * Empirical way to break a tie where feature comparison is inconclusive On Thursday, 25 May 2017 09:18:41 UTC+10, Sean Corfield wrote: > > I agree. There’s been a lot of hand-wringing about the potential impending > “Slackpocalypse” and it seems like some people think this is a problem that > needs to be “solved” (by consensus) – but, despite a lot of conversations > (in the #community-development channel on the Clojurians Slack primarily), > no “perfect solution” has yet been agreed… and to be honest that’s very > unlikely to happen: different people have different criteria for what is > acceptable. > > > > Putting on my Clojurians Admin Hat, what I’d like to see happen here is > for each proposed “solution”: > > > > Post a new thread on this mailing list with a subject “Slack alternative? > <insert name of system here>” – with a brief overview of what the system > is, what platforms it runs on (including native mobile if available) and, > *most > importantly*, how to sign up and try it out for Clojure-related chatter. > Please include links to the service/product and other stuff you think is > relevant ☺ > > > > Until folks actually go and sign up and try out each service, we’re not > going to make progress. > > > > As folks try each service, they can provide feedback in the relevant > thread – both *positive* as well as negative (constructively) please! > > > > We’re almost certainly not going to find a *replacement* for Slack (or > any other communications medium) but we may find several *new, additional* > ways to communicate as a community. > > > > Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > -- Margaret Atwood > > > > On 5/23/17, 6:22 PM, "Colin Yates" <clo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > on behalf of colin...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: > > > > I've only been skimming this but "analysis paralysis" comes to mind :-). > What is the harm in establishing a presence in matrix (bagsy the "neo" > handle) and letting people know? As has been said, people will vote with > their feet so if in a months time matrix is a Clojure ghost town then > lesson learned. > > > > Or, if I have missed some pertinent fact then by all means, sigh, tut and > mutter "sheesh, these drive by commenters are annoying" :-). > > On Wednesday, 24 May 2017, Herwig Hochleitner <hhochl...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > > 2017-05-23 23:04 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming <colin.mailingl...@gmail.com>: > > On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner <hhochleit...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack. > > > > Perhaps this will have to wait until Slack inevitably throws us off, then. > > > > > > What I'm saying is, that the whole community isn't in a single place > anyway. Slack happens to be most popular, right now, but we are spread > across IRC, gitter / github, slack, mailing lists, discord, stack overflow, > reddit and probably many more. > > > > IMO trying to move everybody to one thing is an exercise in futility, but > consuming / producing to / from all those places through a generic protocol > is a realistic hope, as matrix is proving right now. > > > > It's a far cry from searching for "cursive" from anywhere in Clojurians, > though. Searching for channels based on some vague criteria seemed > difficult, and searching for Clojure related content across channels is > also a pretty bad experience. > > > > Granted, matrix' search facilities are far from optimal, as of now. But > unlike the alternatives, just about everybody could be (and somebody > probably is) improving on that. > > > > There has been some talk of making a Clojure-related room directory in an > external webpage or something but it's still a kludge. I'm not sure to what > extent this would be fixed if we ran our own room server, but then someone > has to maintain that. > > > > Same. This is currently being worked on: > https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/2454 > > > > I'd just like to mention, that in the year or so, that I've been using > matrix, the stream of improvements has been pretty steady. So while it > might not currently do everything we need, it's the best hope for bridging > the community across all the various services that (will continue to) exist. > > > > 2017-05-23 23:31 GMT+02:00 Alan Moore <kahunamo...@coopsource.org>: > > I watched the matrix video linked above and it seems there is a Slack > bridge that would allow Slack fans to stay put and others to choose their > own client or even go back to IRC. What am I missing? > > > > The slack bridge is working fine, but slack has a nagging limitation of > one bridged room per organization or some "monetization incentive" like > that. > > > > If slack allowed a full bridge, "slackpocalypse" and its message limit > would already be a solved problem. Such are the ways of proprietary > services ... > > > > I too have no skin in this game... I still prefer this mailing list, as is > self evident. I suppose I could build a matrix bridge for Google Groups. > > > > related: https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-email-bot > > > > On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Andy Fingerhut <andy.finger...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I have no skin in this game, but wasn't the move to Slack pretty much a > "vote with your feet" combined with word of mouth advertising? It seems to > me the same could happen to add another on-line chat tool/system, without > anyone taking a poll/voting on this or any other medium. We'll know when > it has happened by the rumor mill on Slack, IRC, and/or this email group. > > > > Agreed, hence I advertise matrix because I hope more people will see it as > a way, better than just a different silo. > > If "feet" will still choose a silo, there'll be a matrix bridge, as good > as silo allows. Hence the risk of choosing wrong is minimized for everybody > switching to matrix. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
