Sure, I agree. I'm just saying that whoever would like to see whatever, they'll have to commit some work or money into making it happen, or change their preferences to other stuff :). For example, if someone is a programmer who would like to learn ML to be able to land a better job, and this employability is the main criterium, Python is the obvious choice. If that programmer does not like Python and prefer Clojure, he or she has the option to commit some work into making Clojure's ecosystem better, or to learn to love Python. Likewise, if a company prefers Clojure, they can open-source their libraries, or fund some work on Clojure open-source...
Many other small contributions can be made, even the simplest things like writing getting starting guides, or improving the documentation and tests of existing tools, but vast majority of people don't do even that. All in all, if everyone just wait for the perfect solution to appear out of nowhere, I'm afraid they will wait for a long time... On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 9:23 PM, craig worrall < craig.worr...@transacumen.com> wrote: > > Yes, if you have a 'product' perspective, but others will have a service > provider perspective and would like to see employers committed to Clojure > and looking to engage with practitioners.+ > > > On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 4:49:45 AM UTC+11, Dragan Djuric wrote: >> >> >> Isn't it advantageous in some sense to have access to stuff that your >> competition doesn't have? >> >> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 11:05:24 PM UTC+1, piast...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > This did get me thinking though. If the community *did* want to score >>> highly >>> > on some of these metrics, what would those be? >>> >>> I'll be happy so long as Clojure is the popular choice for doing the >>> things where it's advantages should matter: machine learning, AI, NLP, >>> concurrent programming. >>> >>> It drives me crazy that Python is doing so well in all of the areas >>> where Clojure should be winning. There are such beautiful libraries for >>> working with vectors and matrices with Clojure, which should obviously help >>> with NLP, yet people use Python instead. Likewise, so much of machine >>> learning should be done as work in parallel, and Clojure makes that easy, >>> yet Python is preferred. Drives me crazy. >>> >>> These last few years I've been at a lot of NLP startups, and the choice >>> of Python makes me sad. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 7:17:10 PM UTC-4, Luke Burton wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Gregg Reynolds <d...@mobileink.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> very interesting stuff, esp. the sociological bits: >>>> >>>> http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017 >>>> >>>> sadly, clojure does not even rank in popularity. but it's number 1 in >>>> pay worldwide. o sweet vengeance! >>>> >>>> >>>> Some fun reading in there, Clojure features a couple of times. It would >>>> be fun to watch for spikes in traffic to Clojure related resources, because >>>> I'm sure that landing "most highly paid" will cause a few people to sit up >>>> and take notice. >>>> >>>> This did get me thinking though. If the community *did* want to score >>>> highly on some of these metrics, what would those be? Or do none of them >>>> adequately capture what is valued by the Clojure community? >>>> >>>> I think I'd claim that popularity is a terrible metric, even though it >>>> can be gratifying to be popular. The fact that lots of people do a >>>> particular thing doesn't mean that thing is inherently good, or worth >>>> striving for. Some very popular things are bad lifestyle choices, like >>>> smoking, a diet high in sugary foods, and writing JavaScript. >>>> >>>> Conversely some very, very good things can die from even the perception >>>> of being unpopular. We often get people asking on the subreddit why they >>>> find so many "abandoned" libraries in Clojure. The fact a piece of software >>>> might have been written years ago, and still be perfectly usable, is such >>>> an anomaly in more "popular" languages that people assume we've all curled >>>> up and died. I recently had a project steered away from Clojure (suffice to >>>> say it was a very good fit, I thought) due to concerns around the >>>> availability of Clojure programmers in the long term. In Silicon Valley. >>>> Where you can throw a rock in the air and be certain it will hit a >>>> programmer on the way down. >>>> >>>> Anyway, my personal metric for Clojure success would be: "for projects >>>> where Clojure is an appropriate technical fit, how often are you able to >>>> choose Clojure?" It's a selfish metric but the higher it goes, the happier >>>> I am ;) >>>> >>>> Luke. >>>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/clojure/1Ha-hMgr1us/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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