Yup. and that’s why people are getting 429’s

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> On Mar 10, 2021, at 23:01, Paul Kosinski <clamav-us...@iment.com> wrote:
> 
> "I can’t play wack-a-mole with single IPs or even whole ASNs."
> 
> Does Cloudflare have the iptables hashlimit filter (or the equivalent) 
> available?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 22:29:41 +0000
>> "Joel Esler \(jesler\) via clamav-users" <clamav-users@lists.clamav.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> To give everyone a frame of reference. This is what a Cdiff release and 
>> download cycle should look like:
>> 
>> 
>> [cid:311D041A-A699-48A6-BB74-8523A3927866]
>> 
>> Big influx right in the morning when we publish, and then peaks on the top 
>> and bottom of the hour every hour throughout a 24 hour period, (people 
>> having a cron job that runs at the top of every hour throughout the day) 
>> Theoretically speaking, at the end of 24 hours, the line should go to zero, 
>> it never will, because of new installs that download a bunch of cdiffs right 
>> in a row and things like that.  But I I look between the peaks find people 
>> like this:
>> 
>> [cid:B0884332-310A-4C6F-9960-A0A8DB6C2B0D]
>> 
>> 100 CDIFFs or so behind, and they download it nearly 2k times in a row?  
>> Why?  This is not a partial download either.  It’s the full file.  Stuck 
>> cron?
>> 
>> Or this single IP:
>> 
>> [cid:AE797960-535D-44D1-AB4F-7C5823B5BBF2]
>> 
>> Who in the past 24 hours has created 22.17M file downloads all by themselves 
>> from a single IP. (The main.cvd btw)
>> 
>> It’s these bad apples that have ruined the basket for everyone.  I can’t 
>> play wack-a-mole with single IPs or even whole ASNs.
>> 
>> Multiply this one IP above x thousands, and you see the volume I am dealing 
>> with.  But that graph at the top there is from yesterday, and it’s much 
>> better.  This is what we are aiming for.  We’ve reduced transferred data by 
>> 60% by cutting back on abusers.
>> 
>> Like I said, I’ll be writing a blog post about this, but just to show you 
>> guys what I am dealing with:
>> 
>> [cid:D66E6145-0352-45EA-8579-5353C85C15F1]
>> 
>> In the past 72 hours, this is what our event graphs look like.  Big drop 
>> offs and increases are attributed to the constant adjustment I am doing to 
>> find the right balance.
>> 
>> --
>> Joel Esler
>> Manager, Communities Division
>> Cisco Talos Intelligence Group
>> http://www.talosintelligence.com | https://www.snort.org
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Joel Esler (jesler) via clamav-users 
>> <clamav-users@lists.clamav.net<mailto:clamav-users@lists.clamav.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Paul Smith via clamav-users 
>> <clamav-users@lists.clamav.net<mailto:clamav-users@lists.clamav.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 10/03/2021 17:00, Paul Kosinski via clamav-users wrote:
>> I wonder how many "ordinary" users of ClamAV are giving up on using it after 
>> getting permanent 403s. I would imagine there are lots of people who don't 
>> pursue the issue. They may even tell others that ClamAV is unreliable (which 
>> would tarnish its reputation).
>> 
>> Indeed. There does seem to be a view from some people here that anyone using 
>> ClamAV should be regularly updating, monitoring this list, monitoring blogs, 
>> etc. Ordinary people just don't do that.
>> 
>> I expect many will just be thinking that the database servers are broken, 
>> and are waiting for them to recover on their own (as they've done in the 
>> past) and they'll eventually go elsewhere.
>> 
>> The change should really be published everywhere possible - at least in big 
>> letters on the ClamAV home page, and possibly including going to popular 
>> computer press, etc.
>> 
>> A blog article (which is actually very hard to find) or announcement list 
>> post (which is even harder to find) which vaguely says that databases won't 
>> be tested on older versions isn't quite the same as a home page announcement 
>> that old versions & wget just won't work any more!
>> 
>> Of course, people have limited rights to complain - it's not like we're 
>> paying for it.
>> 
>> We are going to be writing a couple blog posts in the coming days.  I 
>> haven’t had the time to sit down and do it.
>> 

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