Cloudflare's cache timeout is set to 5 seconds.  So, I would doubt that 
Cloudflare's cache is the issue, it may be an ISP thing in the middle doing the 
caching, which is what Paul is guessing at this point, if I am following the 
thread correctly.

Out of an abundance of caution I did a worldwide flush of daily.cvd yesterday.  
Which caused everyone to get a new copy if it didn't match what they had.  This 
resulted in about 3TB of traffic in 10 minutes, but after that it settled back 
down.  We're still a bit higher than normal, as I eased some of the "you're 
going to fast" restrictions.  (I have a rate limiter set up, if you are 
downloading 100 cdiffs in 10 seconds, to rate limit the offender...)  I've 
disabled this for now

We're up to about 71TB a day right now and it seems to be holding steady.  Give 
it a couple more days and see if it comes back down.

--
Joel Esler
Manager, Communities Division
Cisco Talos Intelligence Group
http://www.talosintelligence.com

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 9:56 PM, Eric Tykwinski <eric-l...@truenet.com> wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Sorry some of this confusion is probably my fault trying to help without 
> going back to the whole thread.
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Paul Kosinski <clamav-us...@iment.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We ARE using freshclam to perform the actual update. And always have
>> been!
>> 
>> We've only been using curl (not wget, if that matters) to pull the first
>> few bytes of the cvd to see if its version number matches what the DNS
>> TXT query said.
>> 
>> We do this because, after the conversion to Cloudflare, we were getting
>> lots of FAILURES where *freshclam* said things were out of sync (and
>> eventually disabled all the mirrors).
> 
> Have you tried what I did below?  I.E. curl/wget/telnet whatever your flavor 
> of the day, and pull the newest cdiff?
> If you’re getting a 404, that’s definitely an issue.  
> 
> My guess is that it’s actually timing out though, and could be more of an 
> issue troubleshooting.
> Is it local, ie an IDP getting stuck scanning the files, or remotely 
> freshclam itself is timing out on BOS pulling the update from ClamAV and 
> caching it before you can download it.
> 
>> And we have recently seen that our Web server sometimes can get the new
>> updates (from IAD) *hours* before our main LAN does (from BOS).
> 
> Those hours before are only checking the CVDs, which can and probably are 
> cached on CloudFlare so not up to date.
> My guess is that there are just more people in Boston using Clam, so the 
> cache last the longest.
> 
>> P.S. It's been quite frustrating getting some replies seemingly based on
>> assumptions that we are doing things we shouldn't, when we aren't in
>> fact doing those things. (Like not using freshclam.)
> 
> I would agree, this has gone on a long time from my recollection, which is 
> why I jumped in and started looking at it.
> Definitely, I did hop on without all the facts and was just trying to figure 
> out on the fly what’s going on, so my bad on that.
> 
> When in doubt, I usually pull a pcap on a server.  There’s a lot of factors 
> that can come into play, but actually with clam only using http, this 
> actually makes it a lot easier.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Eric Tykwinski
> 
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