Spiro Harvey wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:36:17 +1200
Steve Wray <steve.w...@cwa.co.nz> wrote:

I know that in certain jurisdictions, reaching out to someone elses computer (ie not your property) and disabling functionality on it
could constitute a criminal act.
I sincerely hope that someone somewhere under such a jurisdiction
goes to the police and reports the Clamav developers for such an
offense.

Points to consider:

4. What did you pay for the software?

5. Where's your contract with them?

This is part of the attitude problem from many open source projects.

They are (too often) run by technicians and programmers with no input from the business side.

What the Clamav team did, I can't believe it would have made it through a business analyst and I can't believe that any executive would have signed off on something like that after considering the potential impact it could have on their clients.

For the last 4 years or so I have had to shift my mindset from that of pure sysadmin to taking business considerations into account; its very easy for someone who is absorbed with programming and engineering to forget that IT is there to support business and that business is not there to support IT.

This is something that I personally have struggled hard with, it can be difficult for a 'geek' to move in that direction. But its very very important if OSS is to be taken seriously in the enterprise.

So many OSS projects do not view their users as clients or customers; they view them either as experimental subjects or as fellow experimenters. They only take the technical considerations into account and largely ignore potential impact on business.

This is true both of the Clamav developers and of those people who didn't take precautions against potential problems such as the Clamav developers introduced. (And make no mistake; a problem was *created* by the Clamav team, a problem that did not exist prior to the changes they made).

I have been using Linux since 1991 and I have seen a lot of positive change in that time. I have seen it go from crazy 'fringe' to being widely accepted in the enterprise. But shenanigans like this can risk all of that hard work.

This is why I raised the legal and ethical issue; because that is what the business end should be considering and its what the technical end only rarely considers.

I understand that Clamav is free as in 'beer' and that there is no legal contract with the Clamav team. However, Clamav has a parent company, Sourcefire, which is listed on Nasdaq and is a 'proper' corporation.

I have written to them to find out what they think of this, if anything at all...

Sourcefire actually have executives and a general council and I am sure that they employ business analysts as well. I will be interested to see if what the Clamav team did is condoned by the parent company which clearly has some business acumen behind it.


Don't get distracted by issues such as "Oh those bad silly sysadmins out there who messed up, its really *their* fault not the fault of the Clamav developers!" That is just *not* helpful. The damage is already done; damage to peoples systems and damage to the reputation not only of Clamav but of OSS in general.



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