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On Sun, 16 May 2004 13:42 , Eric Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

>>Well - in this case it was definitely from outside - and the >proxy I 
>>wrote and use passes all email, internal or external, >through clam and
>
>?spam assassin and a bunch of custom rules... but thanks >:-)
>
>Well depending on the virus, it may be sending emails from it's own smtp
>engine and not touching your server that is scanning your emails.  The
>virus doesn't care or bother to use any proxy that you may have setup. 
>It just sends out emails on it's own.  We have qmail with qmail-scanner
>and clamav on box sitting outside our network that scans all incoming
>mail and forwards it on to our groupwise server. I'm not sure how you're
>setup  I.E. if clamav is actually sitting on the mailserver that's
>storing your users' emails. If it is, then I would assume the email(s)
>should have been caught.
>
>We thought the same thing had happened.  We started getting all kinds of
>viruses emailed to our users and the "from" field appeared to be from a
>known customer outside of our network.  Turns out that a laptop user had
>gotten infected when he took the laptop home and was sending the virus
>out to our users from within our network when he vpn'd in.   Just
>because the sender field is from an external email address, doesn't mean
>it didn't originate internally.  Most return addresses on viruses are
>spoofed.  
>
>If you haven't already done so, I would look at the headers of the
>emails with the virus. If you notice that the emails never touch the
>server with clamav, then obviously they were never scanned.  


Eric - that is exactly what happened here, since the virus has its own SMTP it was 
just sending directly to the internal mail-server.  since that is 
just he server, and never sends itself, I blocked all traffic except for the IP of the 
mail gateway - at least it takes out one piece of the 
equation if something does 'slip' through




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