It is my sense that Cisco simply forgets everything they work on immediately after it ships.
It's the only explanation for how TAC operates. -----Original Message----- From: cisco-nsp <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marc Binderberger via cisco-nsp Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 11:32 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Gert Doering <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Cisco Friends Out of curiosity: you probably asked Cisco (SE? TAC?) "what is going on?!" They think this is okay? Uhm, "normal"? reboot -- go to lunch -- have a coffee -- check in on router ? Call it work-life balance ;-) Probably somebody forgot some timeout but I still wonder how they "justify" the long boot time and defy any common sense ... . Marc On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 10:30:10 -0400, Shawn L via cisco-nsp wrote: > I completely agree. When we are doing upgrades on remote shelves, we > set a timer for 35 minutes once the link drops. And keep telling > people "don't even bother looking until the timer expires". Otherwise > people start to panic around the 20 minute mark. > > It's kind of a pain. > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 10:03 AM Gert Doering via cisco-nsp < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Aug 04, 2025 at 03:40:35PM +0200, Simon Leinen wrote: >>> The NCS540 (using IOS-XR) actually reboot faster than the ASR920s >> (IOS-XE). >> >> Yeah, *that* is an amazing failure in the ASR920 platform... it >> boots up to a point, then sits there doing "nothing" (nothing >> visible, at least) for 10+ minutes(!!!!), and then goes on as if this were >> to be expected. >> >> And then it decides to do boot rom updates, sets an env flag, reboots >> (with the 10+ minutes pause). >> >> And then it is done, and reboots again (with the 10+ minute pause). >> >> Truly amazing handicraft. 45 minute downtime for an IOS XE update. >> >> gert >> >> -- >> "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if >> you feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. >> Never doubted it myself till I met a computer with a sense of >> humor." >> Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh >> Mistress >> >> Gert Doering - Munich, Germany >> [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> cisco-nsp mailing list [email protected] >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__puck.nether.net_ >> mailman_listinfo_cisco-2Dnsp&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v >> 5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=LHnXO8 >> i61jurNbhvht9jPwi4nighbJKjTTpJWp2P9cloU_4R0ltSeoR6XSXY0--h&s=QK7_PjWV >> dOXplnbgNZDYZ-gTCLmS7GkvYmYMthyDtnA&e= >> archive at >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__puck.nether.net_p >> ipermail_cisco-2Dnsp_&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_Cdpg >> nVfiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=LHnXO8i61jurN >> bhvht9jPwi4nighbJKjTTpJWp2P9cloU_4R0ltSeoR6XSXY0--h&s=-oGqwJPs5n2UFCG >> XYliwEVmishjSIZ1i8RPNAXdtiZg&e= >> > _______________________________________________ > cisco-nsp mailing list [email protected] > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__puck.nether.net_m > ailman_listinfo_cisco-2Dnsp&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A > _CdpgnVfiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=LHnXO8i61 > jurNbhvht9jPwi4nighbJKjTTpJWp2P9cloU_4R0ltSeoR6XSXY0--h&s=QK7_PjWVdOXp > lnbgNZDYZ-gTCLmS7GkvYmYMthyDtnA&e= > archive at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__puck.nether.net_pi > permail_cisco-2Dnsp_&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnV > fiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=LHnXO8i61jurNbhv > ht9jPwi4nighbJKjTTpJWp2P9cloU_4R0ltSeoR6XSXY0--h&s=-oGqwJPs5n2UFCGXYli > wEVmishjSIZ1i8RPNAXdtiZg&e= _______________________________________________ cisco-nsp mailing list [email protected] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__puck.nether.net_mailman_listinfo_cisco-2Dnsp&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=LHnXO8i61jurNbhvht9jPwi4nighbJKjTTpJWp2P9cloU_4R0ltSeoR6XSXY0--h&s=QK7_PjWVdOXplnbgNZDYZ-gTCLmS7GkvYmYMthyDtnA&e= archive at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__puck.nether.net_pipermail_cisco-2Dnsp_&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=LHnXO8i61jurNbhvht9jPwi4nighbJKjTTpJWp2P9cloU_4R0ltSeoR6XSXY0--h&s=-oGqwJPs5n2UFCGXYliwEVmishjSIZ1i8RPNAXdtiZg&e= _______________________________________________ cisco-nsp mailing list [email protected] https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
