Hi again, Did some more investigating: These are the mails I haven't received from yesterday and now: http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030357.html http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030358.html http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030359.html http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030360.html
So it could be http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030357.html that bounced, and it has an attachment. Does that particular mail have higher spam score? /E On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:06 PM Elias Abacioglu < elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get > disabled twice a month. > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see > this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps > it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets > bounced? Look at my address if you want. > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most > recently. > Please help! > > Thanks, > Elias > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <ch...@gol.com> wrote: > >> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date >> and >> google will have similar checks: >> --- >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >> >> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >> >> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no >> --- >> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way >> out. >> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. >> >> Christian >> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: >> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> > >> > > Thanks Christian, >> > > >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >> > > >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use >> > > a cloud provider). >> > > >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below. >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly >> so >> > if on M$ cloud. >> > >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... >> > > >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. >> > >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: >> > --- >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments). >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that >> the >> > recipient can click on. >> > --- >> > >> > Christian >> > >> > > Cheers, >> > > >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer <ch...@gol.com> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hello, >> > > > >> > > > You're on gmail. >> > > > >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam >> my bet >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. >> > > > >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. >> > > > >> > > > Christian >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Hi all, >> > > >> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from >> > > >> ceph-users with the message: >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled >> due >> > > >> to excessive bounces..." >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. >> > > >> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming >> from. >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the >> contact >> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts. >> > > >> >> > > >> Help! >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Christian Balzer Network/Systems Engineer >> > > > ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Christian Balzer Network/Systems Engineer >> ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications >> _______________________________________________ >> ceph-users mailing list >> ceph-users@lists.ceph.com >> http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com >> >
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